THANK YOU for doing this analysis. This "whistleblower" narrative pushed by Liz Gunn has divided the truther community here in New Zealand. Me being one who is appalled that Liz Gunn did this. Leads me to believe she is a ConOp. Placed early on as a journalist on our side, to get a fan base. Since she also set up her political Party supposedly under the guise of being there for the freedom fighters while taking votes off the real threat, NZ FIRST. Who luckily still managed to get in via Special votes and IS making some changes. I note how she (And Ally Cook) have specifically used this BS expose to assault Winston Peters demanding he take action using this BS narrative. When in fact NO action IS necessary when he has already announced there will be a public inquiry that will include looking into the safety and efficacy of these vaccines. The two of them made some desperate plea that its SOOO urgent and Winston didnt respond....why was it suddenly so extremely urgent when "Barry" had the data for a while. At least 8 months?!
Not forgetting, this data shows NOTHING and is pure speculation. Anyone who can google NZ death stats and compare that to this data would see that straight up. All they presented was their own TWIST on the data using the worst month they could find on deaths, for maximum impact. And even in court, the only way to prove a death is via autopsy, not speculative data.
There is excess deaths yes, there are vaccine deaths yes but this is a total SCAM. Especially since they are also inviting Kiwis to come forward as a whistleblower if you have any information. BUT, where would the support and protection be exactly when Lix Gunn herself RAN AND HID like a COWARD when Barry was arrested! Mind you, that was all part of the intentional drama and emotion for their narrative! And you look overseas to see what happens to whistleblowers, NOT wise. Leave it to Winston and the Public inquiry being done where Im sure he and his team do have experts in their fields who will provide expert and qualified evidence instead of this BS SCAM from Liz and Kirsch. I believe there has been another lady investigating actual suspicious deaths since 2021 that could be vaccine related and has been interviewing people if possible and has her own database. That would be more reliable than this bs data scam. There is also our VAERS data that is more reliable than this BS data scam that someone also recently released on substack.
Kirsch IMHO can STF away from NZ and our genuine freedom movement. Kirsch who using bully tactics harassed everyone who dared challenge is data representation with his usual 1 million dollar bets where all he would do is argue his own narrative. He also LIED about his server being taken down where he was "ghosted" by Wasabi. I got the data off his server myself on the 4 Dec and when I saw his BS follow up on this whistleblower after he was arrested, I checked his server 7 Dec and could still dload the data! I took a snapshot of me logged on!
One clear sign to pick out a Controlled Operative is whether or not they are actually making a difference OR if they are creating Chaos and Division. Liz shows herself as a truther but IS creating chaos and division. We dont need the infiltration nor division and those of us aware to whats going down with this global coup are see a Con a mile away, we aint all the "sheep" the world believes us to be.
your welcome, even though the majority is merely my humble opinion, thank you for allowing it! I dont know what happened with the first post. Anyway, I think its important to express that most opposition to this expose is expected to be woke denial of those who arent aware of whats going on. BUT, I am a truther myself and feel its important others can see a totally different perspective even being a truther and that I see this expose as a total scam being a critical thinker that will question and examine every detail without the need to argue the validity of the data. Its not the data itself, its HOW its been used and presented for a "narrative". Typical mainstream shite if I must say! All drama and wind but NO substantial evidence behind the narrative that would even stand up in court! They expect the majority wont go dig deeper or question the narrative. All its done is create chaos and division targeting the truther community as well as attacking Winston Peters.
Ive given reasons why I dont trust Liz nor Kirsch "as I see it". We should all be challenging and questioning every thing put before just as much by those who we know to be globalists, we also need to vet and challenge those who claim to be on our side otherwise we are going from one problem straight into another. People need to not just be "awake" but not be so gullible!
Kirsch also goes on about how the data is "HIS". Legally NO its not "his". Its data taken from the MOH without approval by Barry, given to Liz who passed it onto Kirsch. And it is his "PRESENTATION" of "stolen" data. THIS expose also gave mainstream more reason to assault our truther community with their "mis-information" narratives. I got onto even gaming talk sites where there were pages and pages, hundred of comments from the woke abusing truthers. WE did not need that either.
ALSO, it could give reason to push tougher regulations and globalist narratives regarding cyber security which is a big thing right now. BUT, lucky we dont have Labour/Greens and the activist elite Te Pati Maori in power! Thanks to Lizs attempt to dispose of the NZ FIRST threat failing, they now have been shuffled to the back seats and Winston has the floor!
And, when it comes to "vetting" supposed truthers, Liz is an EX TV presenter so was/is in the club? Would they have even allowed anyone who isnt "one of them" on their stage? if she is/was, has she jumped as she claimed and "seen the light"? Thats where you have to watch what they are doing and evaluate as if on a trial period, like any job. Prove themselves. Aside from her truther journalist facade. And, the one rule of thumb to distinguish between a genuine truther and a controller operative is if they are actually making a difference or creating drama, chaos and division. She has FAILED my vetting what with her past and present actions. A good example is Tamaki. He stood as a "truther" also set up a party to steal NZ First votes. Set up protests of thousands of kiwis to walk the streets shouting FREEDOM that got us nowhere other than to make us feel like we have had our say. Whats he been doing recently? Hes been in Aussie using Maori to pushing PRO Israel narratives! - FAIL!
About 12 hours after Liz Gunn's interview with Barry Young was posted on Rumble, Aussie17 posted a Substack post about the video and tweeted a 10-minute video of highlights from the video (https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administrator, https://x.com/_aussie17/status/1730151291937280468). Kirsch only published his Substack post about the data around 14 hours later. I think the first time I heard about the NZ data was when someone retweeted or quoted the highlight video by Aussie17. However his bio says that he is an "Ex-Big Pharma Exec exposing Big Pharma". And Liz Gunn used to be the host of several shows on mainstream TV.
So it sounds similar to the cast of characters who presented Team Enigma's findings. When Kirsch was on InfoWars, Alex Jones compared the release of the NZ data to the release of Team Enigma's data two years earlier. The first big presentations about Team Enigma's data were done in January 2022 by Sasha Latypova and Mike Yeadon, who are both former executives in the pharmaceutical industry (https://stewpeters.com/video/2022/01/hackers-reveal-deadly-jab-lot-numbers-horrific-pfizer-teen-trial-data-and-more/, https://odysee.com/%40Corona-Investigative-Committee/Mike-Session-86-en). Latypova did her presentation on the Stew Peters Show where she was interviewed by Stew and Jane Ruby, who both used to work in mainstream media just like Liz Gunn. (I believe it was also Latypova's debut appearance in alt media, and she later started to push Stew psyops about hydrogel and self-assembling structures found in COVID jabs. 🤔)
One of my points was that my trust has been destroyed in many who have had fame, positions of power, or any sort of "voice", and clearly for good reason since we do not know if they are ConOp or genuine Fence Jumpers since these globalists specialize in infiltration and psychological warfare. And, its easy for them to do what with intimidation, contracts, NDAs, threats... A good example is our own media. WTF has happened? I used to be proud of them. I used to believe they were up the top there with the best in the world in genuine unbias journalism, until Jabcinda paid them off!
So, I see MAJOR errors being made here with the TRUST issues I have developed and thats that we are allowing so-called "truthers" the stage WITHOUT vetting them. Again, using Maloney as an example...WHO out of us has ever had the chance to vet him and screen him and been given an opportunity to vote him into a position of authority where he has taken it upon himself to head some new Baloney organisation one should just take on face value and TRUST ? One argument we all have with "global authority" has been "we did not vote for them".
Do you REALLY want someone heading any new medical association who has been involved in the evolution of something that has developed into a bio-weapon and who seems to be doing things that are hurting rather than helping? In my humble opinion, HELL NO! Certainly not during this stage as like I said, anyone with links or suspicions needs to be on a trial, observed and evaluated, then IF they have proven themselves they get a minimal position, go up in stages and continue to observe. But hes jumped to the top without any of us being given this right to vet, observe, audit and make a collective honest vote ... Same goes for Liz and her NZ "Loyal" party. Ive observed her over the past 4 years and she would NOT get my vote. But the sad thing is, others who dont understand the concerns of infiltration and how we got into the mess WILL fall for the emotion and drama and vote. I did notice that she never introduced herself with full disclosure on her past, giving information as you would for a job application, for us to vet. For example, there are "rumours" that her husband has globalist links...who is he? are they still together? what is that about? But she remained silent and had her soldiers like CSM out there in her defense saying thats none of our busines, respect his and her privacy. I disagree, it IS our business and we DO need to vet them when they want positions of power
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The tiger mosquito that carries the chikungunya virus is now moving into new habitats in Europe and America thanks to climate change. This means the once tropical disease could soon become a global pandemic threat.
23 March 2021
August in Italy usually means one thing – vacation time. But in August of 2007, the tiny village of Castiglione Di Cervia in northern Italy was seeing one person after another fall sick with a high fever, muscle ache and exhaustion and excruciating joint pain.
Symptoms: A chikungunya infection causes fever and debilitating joint pain, as well as muscle pain, joint swelling, headache, nausea, fatigue and rash. The name "chikungunya" is Swahili for "that which bends," referring to the stooped posture associated with the extreme joint pain caused by the virus. Since some of the symptoms overlap with dengue and Zika, chikungunya can be misdiagnosed in areas where these diseases are common.
FDA Approves First Chikungunya Vaccine - The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recently greenlit the first vaccine to prevent chikungunya, a disease spread by mosquitos carrying the chikungunya virus. The agency called the virus an “emerging global health threat” due to its growing prevalence and geographic range. The vaccine, marketed as Ixchiq by Valneva Austria GmbH, is approved for adults 18 years or older who are at high risk of exposure to chikungunya virus.
The approval was based in part on clinical trial results showing that the live-attenuated vaccine elicited antibody levels high enough to protect against disease in about 99% of participants who received it.
Chikungunya often causes such symptoms as fever, rashes, and joint and muscle pain that last about a week, although some people experience long-term severe joint pain. Death from infection with the virus is rare.
Do you KNOW WHO "experience long-term severe joint pain"?
YES, I did see that was the case with the statement VFF release on the history behind that "data". This could have been handled much better IF he is a genuine "whistleblower" had he remained with the "other" group he had been working with .. that wasnt VFF and not gone on Gunn's bandwagon! Interesting that she was promoting "whistleblowers to come forward". Ummm what did she do what he was arrested, she went into hiding, supposedly.
Had I encouraged him to go public, Id be standing by him taking the heat with him. Despite Barry stating he was willing to suffer any consequences. Would you want to go to her with any information and trust you'd be supported and protected in any way after that cowardly show? Especially when as it is, we are seeing those who are standing up being arrested with BS charges where it will take a long time to get their day in court, only for it all to be dropped. Take Billy and Vinnie for an example. Not saying I support either of them but they are a good example of our corrupt justice system and how they are treating who they consider to be dissidents. So there is no way Id TRUST that anyone who did have information and stepped forward to Liz, would be SAFE to do so. I see it as a trap.
There is no "division" here??? No one has said anything aggressive, I see a polite conversation. What I mean by "division and chaos" is where you have an "event" that creates a separation of understanding of the event amongst the group its intended for. Which this "event" did, not this conversation about it. And, when you see that happening, critical thinkers cant help but wonder if it was done with this intent. Others with the ability to go check figures and calculations, as I did myself, I clearly saw that there is no way this "data bomb" proves anything. Instead, I saw on groups that arent even to do with any of this, game groups, gardening groups all once again slamming us "truthers" and with every reason to as well since that data proved nothing and made us look STUPID. Have you actually taken any of the actual post serious, have you looked at the data itself, have you looked at NZ Stats figures and looked at other more relevant data sets like our own VAERS or have you randomly just decided this conversation is divisive and Liz is a sweet harmless "truther" without adding anything to prove contrary to general opinion and to the main article?
Meanwhile...why was there a mass population 'vaccine solution' against a disease it was known from the beginning wasn't a serious threat to most people?
The political and social damage caused by the imposition of coercive/mandated vaccination must be evaluated - the destruction of personal autonomy and bodily integrity, and the exploitation of the population with highly questionable vaccine products.
The most astonishing thing is the medical 'profession' collaborated with the violation of voluntary informed consent, the most important ethical principle in medicine.
And it's still happening... I question whether anyone has given valid voluntary informed consent to the Covid jabs...or any vaccination for that matter.
Excellent point. And in fact their "stolen data" reinforces this point. For a fatal pandemic necessitating biofascist measures there should have been a massive improvement in mortality from the intervention, and there wasn't. In fact the interventions over 2 years produced an increase in mortality at least the level expected from an unexplained increase in elderly in the population.
Did you get any gut feeling about the integrity of the ‘official’ data? This unexplained ageing of the population seems a bit suspect given that CoViD disproportionately affected the elderly. There has been some occasional suspicion of official data tampering elsewhere …
I have more than guts feelings as far as falsification of official data goes ; the census data for example in the US is a major confounder on which I'm preparing an article.
Deaths are harder to falsify ; but the data collection procedures of the states must be scrutinized with care prior to draw conclusions.
It is irrefutable, as is the data from the USA and other countries see Dr David Martin, Dr Mike Yeadon, Dr Judy Mikowitz, while they are trying to save lives you are trying to do the opposite. How much are you getting paid?
Steve Kirsch is offering millions to anyone who can prove covid-19 actually exists. Secondly, the jab (which is not a vax) has been declared by the state of Florida to be a biological weapon and a nano technology weapon. I'm sure they did their research diligently. Thirdly, america's leading cardiologist has declared the covid-19 injection is a killer and that those conspiring like the FDA, WHO, CDC, TGA, etc are criminals.
Yes, just how trustworthy is NZstats I wonder. And why would there be ‘unexplained aging’ .. same as you stated. Unless their gov somehow expected them to already be dead. And especially when those dying of whatever it was were OLDer than the average age of death.
And in the same vein ... were the injections even authorised for the use of preventing transmission in NZ? (I mean not authorised at all, not provisional approval). In Australia, this is what the PARs said on the subject. https://homocomfortus.substack.com/p/the-covid-response-in-australia
I am no medical genius or even quite frankly that interested in ‘science’
But I can smell a rat from quite a distance
I have had 3 football mates from 1980’/90’s who I haven’t seen for many years die from heart attacks and strokes ( heard through the grapevine) a mates little sister die from blood clots, a friend of my wife lucky to be alive after a stroke, 2 people I play tennis with Bell’s palsy and shingles ( we thought the first one was a stroke), another guy I play volleyball with a heart attack, my wife knows someone who was diagnosed with cancer and died in a month, met another lady (just last week) who had encephalitis and is fucked for life , will never work again has massive brain fog, specialist thinks vax
There are some others I have no doubt forgotten, these are ones I know about, many people are hesitant to share illnesses or most likely vax injuries
All these people were double triple and maybe vaxed more.
I have been at Marches in the city where I have met Mums whose kids have got myocarditis.
Probably 100% zero have been reported to Vaers.
Alternatively pre vax we could go years without hearing of deaths or serious illnesses from friends or family.
So I just don’t buy for a second that this data proves nothing or even the opposite, what I do know is statistics can be manipulated to show what you want.
Yes, and this brainiac Syed gave us cause to think the psy op through. I had doubts, just given the fact I knew all data was manipulated by the globalists who pushed the shot. From VAERS, to the secoind CDC hidden database, to the redactions, the hidden research lies and all the friggin bullshit they fed us. Have to be an idiot to eat what they were serving as safe and effective.
Of course there is excess mortality. Rancourt has crunched those numbers, and chat gtp had no issues with how he did it. WITH A CAUTION, THAT THE DATA IS LACKING. So everything we hear, has to include a maybe/maybe not.
We know for fact there is graphene oxide in the shot, and G.O., causes blood clots and hyper inflammation.(likely wrong term) We know for certain that there is P.E.G. in the shot and it is toxic, we know for certain there is contaminant DNA in the shot, including sv 40...
There are hundreds of studies showing harm from the shot, while Doshi stated the 1 in 800 serious adverse events.
I figured out 40 years ago that voting in a representational democracy that is owned by inequality is a fools game. And then I watched the many patterns fall into place, from Agenda 21, to the Great Reset.
60 years old. There is absolutley no doubt, this injection was for geo political purpose.
We also know for certain that Graphene oxide has been extensively studies for self assembling transmitters and in body sensors. But they have never been able to solve the fact that G.O. kills, while statiung repeatedly in the research out there that "more research is needed"
Well they just did 3 years of more research using billions of people.
It woudl be a ridiculous preposition that there was no excess death from that shot.
Anyone denying there is G.O. in the shot , is controlled opposition. End of story. I can prove it objectively, subjectively, and circumstantially.
It’s almost as if important, well-researched and well-analysed official datasets begin life as anecdotal evidence that then spark genuine scientific curiosity in professional, honest observers... (spoiler: they do)... Anecdotes such as yours are everywhere. There are websites, Facebook groups, podcasts, channels, books and all manner of sirens blasting this info all day long (those that haven’t been censored, suppressed, smeared or infiltrated, at least...) and at some point, enough NPC normie sheeple are going to have to inadvertently red pill each other with words like “yeah, I’ve been noticing that too...” and “do you think they might not have our best interests at heart?” if enough of us are to get out of this alive...
Interesting article, thanks for the analysis, I look forward to looking through the GitHub repo. As someone from NZ the death rates espoused by those releasing of the data always seemed absurd and I was surprised no one was talking about the age of the cohorts. It seems like the guy (awaiting imprisonment) who released the data may be genuine?!? but have no understanding of death rates amongst elderly cohorts, but I sadly I don't think the same can be said of those pushing the story. All that being said, there does seem to be an increase in emergency call outs (my town has a volunteer fire brigade that doubles as paramedics and is summonsed to duty by siren) , we've gone from 2-3 alarms per week to at least 1 sometimes 5 per day. But as for the death rates reported in "alt" media from this leak they are impossible, half the country would be dead. One point to note, e.g. what seems a data error, the 32 doses for one person, may in fact be true, a few people were busted by the cops for getting injections on behalf of others for cash, so that the others could get the vaccine passports and keep their jobs, so while unlikely it is still possible. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Yes that's our view too. This data was deliberately released as bait and it under reports deaths... Either deliberately or due to the nature of data linkage
If this was released as some sort of smoke and mirrors operation, the individual involved should end up walking free. He has breached the information security and privacy regulations, which attract a minimum five years jail. If the NZ government choose to claim the data is "national security" classified due to the damage the release could cause to the NZ government, the punishment increases again. Watch this space because the whistleblower is up for at least ten years jail time. If he walks then a stinky rat is in the biscuit tin.
My understanding is NZ government was not storing all the data in the one database, hence why certain data was missing. He is the database administrator, no reason to believe he would not have access to the entire table set in order to do his job. I believe he grabbed what he thought was useful to expose what is happening. The NZ government has owned it and stated as such and locked him up. So either they are lying and have run this massive operation to discredit the anti pharma movement and set this guy up for the fall or its genuine. I don't see the NZ government, having the time or resources to go to those lengths while trying to win an election.
You might wish to remember that the NZ government were the ones that declared that the only source of COVID truth was theirs. You might also recall the lengths the NZ government went to, to stop any discussion of Brenton Tarrant - which included shutting down multiple websites around the world except the very one which hosted the original video. The NZ government are perfectly capable of coming up with Barry Young, but this article does not state that they did. It merely shows you that the claims made about Barry Young's findings representing an overt safety signal are false.
I remember every government in the G20 stating they were the only source of covid truth. I also remember the Tarrant incident under Ardern. I never said they were not capable of coming up with Barry Young, I said it was unlikely they had the time or resources to do so given the Labor party were struggling to stay in power. Not even NZ Labor are so stupid as to try something like that when up for reelection the risk of it backfiring if proven they leaked "Misinformation" charged and jailed Young would prove everything that has been said about them being totalitarian and evil would be validated publicly. Iif the data is legit and proven correct, they lose again. I do not disagree with the last line nor do I agree as I have not sliced and diced my set of the data and most likely won't. I have a copy to ensure it was preserved and rely on the experts at this stuff to science it out for me.
I'm amazed to read that you think it's more important to protect the government than a genuine researcher who stuck his neck out to give you the information.
Time will tell if B.Y. is genuine, and we only argue in favor of data transparency. Good data, if possible.
Meanwhile trying to sell this data as the MOAR which will end the shots is an absolute fallacy which convinces none (rightfully) on the proponent side of the jabs.
A key reason for said jabs to be still standing is because we are regularly polluted by people who don't care much about accuracy - to the detriment of all of us as far as public perception is concerned.
The accuracy seems to only be looked at from one side which is a characteristic of our warped society. Why is the data so hard to procure? Why is it ok for the agencies to hide it or make it confusing? Why didn't everyone ask for the data when covid was said to be a pandemic? Why no data about the isolation of covid itself? It's all one-sided, that is the real pollution. And why should the man be in jail when he may have used the data that was available? I thought it was innocent until proven guilty.
We don't disagree. All this data should be transparent and then there would be no need to procure a Barry Young and put other people who were trying to help resolve this at risk, which is precisely what happened.
That's right because ultimately it has to be a choice whether to take them or not, but it was so pushed and coerced upon the people, one cannot say they were asked. What happened to body autonomy? Did that just go out the window? Why wasn't anyone howling about that? But if the nefarious side - the side that wants to jab everyone on earth - makes claims, they get supported. Where were the skeptics when the pandemic was called? Nobody asked for evidence there was a pandemic, or that the hospitals were filled, and a whole lot more.
Trends in cause of death could be interesting; I think in Australia cardiovascular deaths have been much higher but offset by unusually low deaths from respiratory infections?
Personally, I worry that extended debate over this kind of stuff takes our eyes off the ball. It's like the game "look over there". We already know that Operation Warp Speed was run by the DOD as a bioweapons program, complete with laws applicable only during an "emergency" allowing contracts to call for the manufacture of "countermeasures", not vaccines. We already know that no informed consent was possible and that the ingredients of the jabs are toxic to the human body. I think there's plenty of information already available to fry the perpetrators of the so-called "pandemic".
So ... what should we be focusing the vast majority of our time on in my opinion? Pressuring our individual states to maximize the use of states' rights to oppose the global cabal of psychopathic oligarchs. Withdrawing from the WHO. Organizing massive rebellion against the installation of financial control systems like CBDC (or equivalent), digital IDs, centralized surveillance databases, and social credit systems. Loss of financial transaction freedom means loss of individual sovereignty. Bye bye USA, hello China. MAKE SOME NOISE.
Totally agree..We felt that it was necessary to put this "bombshell" to bed to show people the dirty tricks that vested interests will play to distract the population from whom awareness is their biggest fear.
Wow, Fast Eddy got banned from here while I was replying to him. I wonder what he did here.
I was going to say that I gave him a way to enact his Tiffany Dover plan before when he got banned from Steve Kirsch newsletter, that is - start a GiveSendGo and write his own Substack Articles detailing his Tiffany Dover plan to hire a PI, linking to it.
If the plan is really great he doesn't need Steve Kirsch to finance it. People would jump at the chance to help.
Steve didn't ban you - I banned you for spamming after repeatedly warning you that's it's ok to post about Tiffany Dover but to not repeatedly copy/paste the same comment as spam. You just wouldn't stop.
I assume you were trying to get banned so you could pretend Steve Kirsch banned you.
you babble ignorance as knowledge, and do you really think intelligent people give a fuck about being "here"? You are nothing more than a pimple on a horses d1ck, with an opinion you think is fact :P
I see -- can you ask Steve why he refused to respond to my suggestions that he offer Dover One Million Dollars for an interview?
Could it be that Steve is a false actor who is tasked (as is Malone) with running the A Vaxxers in circles -- he releases info knowing full well that it will not reach the Vaxxers - or if it does they will delete it cuz it's not bbccnn... no harm done right?
But the Dover thing... that's different innit....
If he contacts the husband (his info is all over the web)... and makes the offer through him... and they turn it down... after she just did the NBC freebie...
Well that most certainly would draw the attention of the Vaxxers... they surely would ask -- why would she turn down all the $$$$ --- she just did a freebie where she said she wanted to kill the rumours that she's dead...
What better place to kill the rumours than to address them with the A Vaxxers on SS....
Yes indeed that might actually bring them into the A Vaxxer parallel universe and Steve's bosses at the Ministry of Truth said -- do not respond Fast Eddy - do NOT offer $$$.
And you will recall where I doubled down and suggested Steve hire a PI to determine if Dover is alive... how hard can that be? Surely it would be easy to find her house - just follow hubby.
Then stake it out and see if she goes out --- you know ... supermarket ... shopping... hair salon...
Steve didn't want to do that either.
And then -- you banned me.
Like I said -- Steve is an embedded agent... he is playing his role... just like Malone... and many others here on SS
Ever wonder why other platforms have been heavily censored -- but not SS?
I betcha cuz they want to use SS to keep an eye on all the A Vaxxers... make sure they are not up to any mischief... run them in circles releasing damning info -- they believe they are Winning... so they don't cause trouble
Ask Steve about this.
Funny thing - if he comments on other SSs I immediately ask him why he banned me over the Dover suggestion ... he ignores me
I don't ask Steve Kirsch questions for people - you were banned for spamming - it had nothing to do with Tiffany Dover. Many people post about Dover on Steve Kirsch Newsletter and don't get banned - because they don't freak out and spam the comments.
You hang out with the gossipers and haters; since you hate Steve Kirsch why do you think he would fund your Tiffany Dover plan? If your plan is good write it up in your own Substack and post a GiveSendGo. Fund your plan yourself and just do it.
Again, if your plan is good it will be easily funded by all the people rushing to agree with you. Nobody is stopping you from enacting your plan and to carry out your dreams - except your own obsession, paranoia and hatred.
While you're busy gossiping and hating, Steve Kirsch and Robert Malone are holding another Covid Litigation Conference to help lawyers go after the bad guys. You're welcome.
Trying a little gossip on your own? Simple reading usually debunks gossip.
"The first rule of holes: when you find yourself in one, stop digging.
Maybe you want to consider withdrawing your criminal charges against Barry Young? He did not commit a crime. He relied on the advice of experts including UK Professor Norman Fenton before releasing the data. Of course, you wouldn’t know that because you never asked him. You never even talked to him before having him arrested. Your actions are despicable."
Yes, you have no evidence that Dr. Malone is a secret agent for deep state so you gossip and wonder. Meanwhile, Dr. Malone goes to British Parliament and testifies against the vaccines.
Sitting and stewing in gossip doesn't help anyone, especially you.
1. If someone does not respond to a very good question --- does it not make sense to ask again? Just in case they missed it the first time ... and the second... and the third... etc...
We know why Steve did not respond - he has received my question on other SSs as I replied to his comments... it's because he is a false actor... He will NEVER do anything to actually harm The Plan... that's quite obvious.
What do you think - should he offer Dover 1M for an interview?
I'm just having a bit of fun with ya'll ... it doesn't matter... the deal is done .. now we just wait for The Pathogen to be released - then the dying begins
Most people can guess why he didn't respond - he's busy testifying, analyzing data, organizing lawyers, more defeat the mandate rallies - helping doctors against medical boards and especially helping the vaccine injured.
You hate that, it seems. What do you have against the vaccine injured that you want to stop VSRF from helping them?
Which one are you ? The one who was throwing coordinates of a potential vax-injured's husband while getting hot, or the one who was insulting us for being pharma-shills in 20 irrelevant comments ?
He banned me long time ago. So is Malone, Cole and those others who deny G.O. in the experimental shot. It has been found definitively, it is researched for years definitevly, it is used in current medicine definitively, they just dont want us knowing WHY they put it in this shot
You also were banned by me from Steve Kirsch Newsletter for bad comment behavior. Many people disagree and are NOT banned because they engage in civil commenting behavior.
Just reply that you will comment in a civil manner from now on and I'll unban you.
If you have access to Steve's comments, you can ask him why he ignored mine re his massacre of the Deaths count during the Pfizer trial - both on Substack & Twitter ?
I just moderate comments there and don't have any special access except in cases of emergency when trolls try to take down the site.
I do read his articles and twitter a lot and have noticed Steve Kirsch is so busy he set up https://kirschsubstack.com/p/how-to-contact-me . If you choose option one you will get a subset of choices, pick one you think is best.
I would love to hear an X Space with you and Dr. Syed discussing the NZ data with Steve Kirsch and a few other experts. I think a civil discussion is much better than people insulting and accusing.
I agree but unfortunately whilst the threats to me continue this will never be possible. Perhaps one day when the public ever stands behind whistleblowers this may change. For now, if you believe Barry Young is a whistleblower, it is interesting to watch the apathy from the public in his regard.
I'll watch. However, even if he is totally wrong on Dover (whoever that is--I do not know that story) and banning you, 90% of what he does is on our side.
This is not a time to avoid compromise on some issues if we are to forge alliances and win the war. I don't know what to think about "virus," whether they exist or not. I don't really care. I don't know that what is "in" the shots is totally relevant to winning the war, because that fact of massive numbers of adverse events is really all that's relevant. In fact, pointing to what's "in" the jabs could work against us--because gee, we didn't realize our manufacturing processes were so awful; we'll improve those and all will be good and the jab will be heaven on earth.
In propaganda/marketing, there's the "hook" and the "message." They can be very different. Let's focus on the hook so we can instill the message.
Pushing 90 (or 99%) of good - and never original - information while pushing 1% to 10% of garbage is the description of the standard playbook of the infiltrate.
Out of memory, can you quote one original information Steve provided, resisting to scrutiny ? I can't - yet I have followed closely.
He is in the face of the opposition, million dollar bets and all. He's an educator, not an originalist. We need all kinds; that's what makes a team.
I disagree on garbage and infiltration. Look at Trump: nearly everything he did in the first three years was great; year four, the opposite. Yet, against anyone else with a change of winning, I'd vote for him again. (And I voted libertarian in 2016; I did not and actually do not trust him, as he is unprincipled, but learning. And he had some of the right people around him in the first three years.)
Ayn Rand had a rule: you deviate, you were out of her circle. So who did she keep in longer than nearly anyone else? Greenspan. How well did that work?
Rand was a cultist (which fit right in with her amphetamine addiction). The people here, and on Alexander's and others' sites, need to stop acting like cultists.
I don't do in politics - US politics least of all - but Trump is perfectly aware Pfizer nuked him on his reelection. He said nothing and is still proud of warp-speed. Why ?
Agreed to disagree re "who is an educator" and isn't. Pushing detrimental elements in opposition movements remains a standard move. Particularly with authoritarian regimes.
Good question. Pfizer screwed Trump by not releasing the vaccine before the election and yet he is still singing their praises even though he has to know how they are injuring and killing people. Why indeed.
And if you recall both Biden and Kamala said that they wouldn’t take the 'Trump' vaccine because they didn’t know if it was safe…and yet 19 days later they both took the 'Trump' vaccine. I’m sure that no safety information came out before they got theirs.
Also he signed 2 executive orders.
1- he wanted to send everyone HCQ, but someone derailed it and yet he never followed through to do it.
2- he ordered that doctors had the right to try any treatments they wanted to. I don’t remember how he phrased it. Doctors already had the right, but hospital administrators were not allowing them to do it.
I’ve never decided whether the deep state actually hated Trump or if he was just a patsy. Too many things just don’t add up.
Dr. Paul Elias Alexander pushed WhenDeathIsNear??!!! Wow. SMH. Has he admitted yet that it causes death from kidney disease? The very definition of pushing detrimental "elements," in a sense.
This is so much better than a detective novel. Or a horror movie. We are living in a horror shit show with a few great detectives who have devoted enormous amounts of time to figuring out who the perps are. You are no doubt among them, even if I'm unsure whether I agree on every point. I do maintain war makes strange bedfellows and we must not allow the enemy to divide us. Coalitions are essential, much as I'd like to be pure.
I remember early on Steve was on a podcast or gave an interview when he was launching his own part of the medical freedom movement - in order to be a sort of crusader for truth. And he told this little story; when announcing his plans to his wife she exclaimed, “But Steve, how will we support our family?” And he told her not to worry about that; this endeavor was more important. At the time I’m thinking the poor guy is sacrificing everything especially his family’s financial welfare. Later I find out he’s a multimillionaire—that’s when I began questioning him.
Holy cow. I don't know when Kirsch wrote that first post highlighted on your link -- "How it will end," but my eyes bugged out when I read this completely unironic gem of Kirsch's -- "The Clinton Global Initiative may one day save us."
Can anyone with a stellar IQ ever have been that naive? Heavens! Now I have to consider that he's a "globalist player," which makes ME the naive one in my original estimation of Kirsch. (Live and learn.)
We all knew or should have known that Steve Kirsch was a Democrat and all that goes with it. However, reading explains a lot - most of the gossipers don't read much about their gossip subject, just what they can twist to get someone to hate them.
For instance, if you read you'll find out OneID is for authenticating logins - for any site, not just banks. It's like a doorlock, not a global digital finance system. Also, SK resigned from there in 2021.
If you read you find out Steve Kirsch wrote an article a short time ago where someone told him fluoride in the water was toxic. As he wrote, his first thought was to go with consensus science but his vaccine-aware mind process made him stop and think. He investigated and wrote an article against fluoride in the water.
This tells me that his whole consensus science belief system has been shattered. Therefore I don't take as gospel Kirsch's consensus science beliefs from 2010. Certainly I can't believe he's a secret agent for Deep State.
He's gone up against vaccine companies, banks, and governments so they all hate him. Logic dictates that the enemy of my enemies is my friend.
Remember how he had people searching for the elusive "underreporting factor", when the gold standard of post-approval pharmacovigilance data analysis are proportional reporting ratios?
He ignored all of my attempts to set that straight.
"Why do Steve Kirsch (and others) insist on touting this data... Why did the authorities wait... Is this data set a “false flag” to poison the well or conflate?"
There are no 'apparent' excess deaths because you haven't allowed for the incredible savings of life as a consequence of no influenza/other respiratory infections. When you calculate your 'expected deaths' you need to calculate them on a no-respiratory infections basis. These infections result in deaths attributed to all causes, on a seasonal basis. I've done a lot of work on this, in an equivalent locked-down jurisdiction, Victoria (Australia).
If controlling for the absence of infections still doesn't bring forth the excess deaths then we'd be asking about the contents of the injections used in New Zealand.
Interestingly the Australian states are very different. Victoria and Queensland were terrible, and Western Australia and Tasmania still had negative excess deaths, even up to 2023. I put it in a substack here. https://madeleinelove.substack.com/p/were-australian-states-trialling
I've partly explained it, but haven't updated. It's partly due to the volume of deaths in 2020. I'd set my 0 excess date at 1/1/2020. Both Western Australia and Tasmania made huge savings in deaths in 2020, where Victoria and Queensland were not far off normal. In the case of Western Australia they had a very big flu year in 2019 (disproportionately affects the 70s & 80s people who could otherwise live on), so a lot of the chronic heart/respiratory illness people who would've been affected by covid or the vaxes had already left. Thus, in the 2020-2022 excess death equation WA has a very low 2020 number that benefits their equation. I would be checking the history of death in New Zealand.
I also wondered about the vaccine factor in Australia. Victoria manufactured Astrazeneca, and due to the lockdowns people jumped out quickly to get vaxd. The effect is dramatic, ditto on Queensland. NSW was certainly trying to avoid using Astrazeneca, maybe SA too. Western Australia took it very slowly. By the Danish paper the early Pfizers were worst - their conclusions have been challenged, but this could be a factor.
I've briefly looked at NZ, and haven't seen excess on a gross analysis, as you say. My method requires week of occurrence data but haven't found that by cause of death - only covid (from memory). If they didn't have a massive round of death in aged care homes soon after their Pfizer vaccines (as openly reported in Norway) I'd be shocked. But if you're using annual data you probably won't see it. Many wouldn't have naturally lived past the year end. Some people would shrug and say 'so what, they were nearly dead anyway'. But as someone one who was locked down for four months in Victoria, on behalf of these lives, to see them immediately taken out by the vaccines, I'm not impressed. Where was the shrugging over covid 'so what, they were nearly dead anyway'? Life is so precious, unless it's lost to a vaccine. This was the first I did on the flu method, for the whole of Australia. Puts in a bit more useful background, but is probably more confused, and a bit more excited - I struggle with organising material for best understanding. "The vaccine deaths are clear in the data" https://madeleinelove.substack.com/p/the-vaccine-deaths-are-clear-in-the
I note you use the word infection. The flu maybe infectious! It may cause loss of life! Is there proof that the flu is contagious?
This is a substack I will have to write. As they keep telling us that covid is infectious. I get that both like the flu has never been shown to be contagious. The same as the 'common cold'. The welcome foundation has huge data set on this from the experiments they carried out in conjunction with the UK ministry of defence from 1946 to 1989.
Maybe you might have insights into contagion of Covid flu or the cold.
Thanks for reviewing this data. I would ask you a few questions:
1. In the graph with deaths per day of exposure, you state a small increase is due to ageing. The rate increases to nearly double (150->300) during a year or so. Are you suggesting one year of ageing doubles the risk of death?
2. In the last graph you provide, with the expected mortality for the data cohort, why are you so confident it's due to missing data? Most other studies show that the vaccinated die at a lower rate than the average population. That would explain the difference.
3. Also in the last graph, you do not comment on the vastly different temporal patterns between expected and observed. Why would they differ?
Based on 2 and 3, my take is that you have identified what most safety studies have, namely that the mortality of the vaccinated is less than the general population.
Since it is entirely possible for a cohort to be both healthier than the average citizen and at the same time experience an increased risk from an intervention, this looks like a case of ignoratio elenchi.
The point is that the data provided (if indeed it is real at all) does not give us any valid mechanism to assess whether vaccination in New Zealand has made any difference to mortality. For such a deduction you would need a comparative cohort of vaccinated vs unvaccinated. This is not that. No deductions can be made from this data other than that it was released in order to cause chaos and allow people to be sucked into making false claims about it.
There is an increase in mortality in New Zealand in the last 2 years, but this needs to be unpicked. It is unacceptable that no pharmacovigilance has been performed in that time period. If it had been, there would be no controversy here because the data would be available to inspection. It is not.
"No deductions can be made from this data other than that it was released in order to cause chaos and allow people to be sucked into making false claims about it."
I suspected that from the beginning, but that theory appears to be a little difficult to reconcile with the extreme lengths that the NZ health authorities have gone to in order to prevent the data being shared, unless that is part of the grand distraction too, but then that adds another layer of complexity to the whole thing. It's very puzzling, especially as the NZ whistleblower data is largely irrelevant anyway - numerous analyses from around the world prove beyond doubt that the 'vaccines' were neither safe (VERY far from it) or effective, or NECESSARY.
I'm a kiwi and live in the brainwashed capital of Wellington.
NZWB data or not in my own life I have friends suffering from strokes, heart attacks, alot of prostate cancer, neurological issues and climbing the list is thyroid issues. The oldest is an extremely fit 73 the youngest 42, all men. Two things I can say. If the death rate has not gone up I would be amazed but one thing is for sure it soon will be. Another thing is that most of the above have spent a large part of their lives hunting and fishing and are/were very capable men. I said to wife that one thing is for sure the last thing I would want is to be hunted by the capable men in our lives.
Another small anecdote was a visit from my neighbour, formerly very pro jab. "I think we are living through a genocide"
All anecdotal of course but the world is painfully slowly waking up. Hold onto your hats.
Immensely frustrating for people (the majority) who are not trained in statistical analysis and cannot therefore form an independent opinion as to who is right and who is wrong on this issue, or indeed come to the conclusion that there is not enough information to ascertain with any certainty who is right and who is wrong. From what I can gather on Steve's thread, a crucial part of the answer lies in whether the UKHSA have indeed published a sound methodology for a time series cohort analysis or not, which Steve claims to have employed in his analysis of the NZWBD. As far as I can tell, that has not been established. I would be interested to hear what Norman Fenton has to say about this. Maybe he will get involved in the discussion. perhaps the major point to be made here is that the whole issue tends to muddy the waters and sow confusion in the statistically uneducated masses like myself. That's not positive.
Thanks for both of your replies. I agree, I have not seen any convincing analysis of the data yet. And the integrity issues you point to seem enough to pull the whole dataset into question.
That said, I also have yet to see an analysis breaking down the data in such a way as to address e.g. temporal death patterns properly, such as the ones I've pointed to in my analysis with profs. Fenton and Neil.
We have supplied the scripts so anyone can verify this modelled analysis. As far as we are aware this is the only analysis that looks at how many deaths there should have been in that cohort
No this is not a similar analysis at all. This is the only analysis that we are aware of that generated simulated data on the basis of the existing NZ mortality datasets. You seem to have taken your analysis offline., or at least the data behind it.
The difference between Model.R and my R scripts is that Model.R uses the reported monthly number of deaths by age group to model the expected deaths in the pay-per-dose cohort, but I used the average reported yearly deaths in 2021 and 2022. So it's a difference of temporal resolution. However Model.R uses 5-year age groups but my scripts uses single-year ages, so my scripts have higher resolution in terms of age groups.
I now also tried to calculate the expected monthly number of deaths based on the monthly reported deaths in 5-year age groups, but the number of deaths in the pay-per-dose data was about 16% lower than expected, which matches your results:
1. The rate per day of exposure indeed increases, which is consistent with a cohort already more aged than the average population and a 2022 higher than usual mortality in the elders. It might benefit to be clarified indeed - but the fact that the mortality shown remains always below expectancy once factorized the age doesn't make said increase alarming.
2. The data structure & quality of the database is very hard to evaluate but looks quite poor. There is no reason to assume that the reporting of the deaths is automated and reliable. I'm yet to see a study which advances a lower mortality rate in the vaccinated while providing a number of vaccinated consistent with the number of doses administered to the country studied's citizens. Happy to review it if you have one in mind. For now I assume that data consistency issues - such as difficulties to reconcile married women & vaccination status (among countless others) - systematically to the detriment of the unvaccinated groups, are explaining most of the "efficacy" I haven't seen proven in the trial data.
3. The highest difference in temporal pattern also corresponds to the period were the most deaths were observed in the general population. It's possible that it induces more stress on the reporting system. On another hand, we can hardly be more reserved regarding the data quality ; and death dates themselves have been significantly altered. The target of this analysis is limited to explain that trying to make of this data an argument against Covid-19 vaccines is a poor tactical choice - not to make an in depth analysis of the details of a cohort which, as we mention, could be synthetic for all we know.
Wow, and Steve is a bit of a stats whiz and also had Norman Fenton look over the data. What an own goal! Still, we must let the cards fall where they may be. If the data not only don't show any increase in deaths in the vaccinated cohort and in fact show a lower death rate than should be expected based on the age distribution of the cohort, this lower death rate is likely to be extrapolated worldwide and attributed by vaccine enthusiasts to being consistent with the vaccines saving millions of lives.
That would also be an incorrect interpretation because it ignores the fact that the majority of New Zealanders were vaccinated and it's not possible to have an increase in mortality if there was a reduction of death rate in the majority
I expect it may be argued that the unvaccinated minority are dropping like flies and the magnitude of this is so massive that it is cancelling out the effects on overall mortality of the reduction of death rate in the majority who have had the shots.
As a reply to point 1, the average age of the cohort also changes because new people get added to the cohort. The average age of the people included in the NZ dataset is the lowest around November or December 2021, but after that it begins to increase because old people who weren't included in the dataset earlier get added after the third dose. And a second reason why the mortality rate increases in the first half of 2022 is because summer is turning to winter. And a third reason is because people started dying of COVID in March 2022. When I calculated a baseline for the CMR based on the age composition of the cohort, the CMR mostly remained below the baseline until March 2022: https://i.ibb.co/1KsJGKM/nz-pay-per-dose-mortality-rate-by-date-seasonality-adjusted-baseline.png (R code: https://mongol-fi.github.io/moar.html#Plot_by_John_Sullivan_for_mortality_rate_by_date_in_ages_80_89).
I've been following nz data for quite some time. My opinion of it is that it is good for nothing more than a ball park estimate. This includes statsNZ data which is based on quarterly adjustment to a baseline derived from 4 yearly census data with a few other factors thrown in. Its just an estimate.
I wasted too much time on kirsch data before concluding it was not complete enough to draw any serious conclusions,. But i have to agree that that data as it was presented does show what your article shows ie, a slight decrease in age standardized mortality. That said I also agree that the NZ ministry of health should supply all data.
I don't think it is so much a case of nqr in the sense of it being dodgy. I just do not believe there is enough data to do population based analysis like you and I have attempted. My attempts just raised questions that could not be answered with the data.
I am only vaguely familiar with Steve's method and I don't have the means, or knowledge to check he did it right. My opinion is that it is a method that would work, but I would like to check that it is properly age stratified.
A couple more comments if I may on your analysis.
1. I've looked closely a statsNZ data to determine if there is excess mortality. The method is simple. For the 10 years prior to covid I worked out the average mortality rate + the highs and lows, and compared them to 2020 to23. I did this for the whole population and in 10 year age bands. The whole population shows an sizeable and increasing excess in 22 to 23. 21 appears to be catching up from a negative 2020. But the interesting thing is that when broken down by age band, the excess disapears. I suspect that this is either a statistical anomaly tha an experienced statistician would know about or the statsNZ data is not based on reliable estimates... probably a mix of the 2.
2. Your graph showing the age distribution of the data compared to typical NZ population distribution is not, IMHO, correct. You should be comparing to the vaccinated population distribution which is higher in age than the all population distribution. Another thing to bare in mind is that the under 1s have more deaths than the following 20 years put together and none of them are vaccinated so this has to be taken into account when comparing death rates in the data to all population rates.
As can be seen, there are so many snags that one can fall into.
There were just a handful of under 1s. And yes the first chart was there to show that the distribution of the NZWB cohort was not the same as the distribution of the country, which was the point because the claim of an increase in death rate was being made at the time (beginning December) in comparison to the baseline mortality rate of New Zealanders as a whole.
To address this we modelled the whole data set by line. In other words we took the age of each person in that (purported) data set, accepting the age quoted in the file available (not checked to DOB because we removed it) and then modelled their daily risk of mortality based on the available mortality data provided by NZstats. So what we should have ended up with was an overall mortality for the group which applied the risk for each person for each month based on their age. Nobody else has done this modelling and it addresses your points. What it doesn't address is what would happen if the NZstats mortality data or the UN data showing the composition of New Zealand by age is corrupted.
I have now done the same type of modeling where I used reported monthly mortality rates in 5-year age groups to calculate the baseline. And I had earlier calculated the baseline by using the 2021-2022 average mortality rates in single-year age groups. And Uncle John Returns has also used a similar approach. I have tried in vain to teach Kirsch how he could also calculate the baseline based on the age composition, so I told him that he is falling behind because now OpenVAET has also joined the elite ranks of researchers who have calculated the baseline correctly.
The age column in the CSV file is the age on approximately December 2nd 2023, because when I tested all dates in 2021-2023 for the number of people whose age column matched their date of birth, I got the highest number of matches on December 2nd 2023. So the age column can be up to 3 years higher than the actual age of a person on the day of vaccination. So if you rely on the age column then you'll overestimate the expected mortality rate of the cohort.
I really enjoyed the dive into Github territory and R programming. Way out of my current league, but at least there are good people out there who can utilize it.
Perhaps, but they are doing that anyway. What is not helpful to the truth about this is using flawed data to make a point, only to be ridiculed for it to such an extent that the underlying point is buried.
I find the NZWB data fascinating. We don't know, and maybe never will, where it came from and why it appears to be a partial dataset.
The situation reminds me of the analysis of Francesca Gino's papers and datasets. The datasets that she based her papers on were clearly manipulated, but in a clumsy way. http://datacolada.org/112 If the NZWB data was manipulated, did whoever did that think that no one would notice the manipulation?
I find Steve Kirsch often appears to leap to conclusions even when the data doesn't support what he is saying. This is yet another example of that.
I am skeptical of the vaccines. However , I agree with you that the NZWB dataset says nothing, one way or the other, about the safety and efficacy of the vaccines. I was so hoping we would finally know something. Alas, it was not to be.
THANK YOU for doing this analysis. This "whistleblower" narrative pushed by Liz Gunn has divided the truther community here in New Zealand. Me being one who is appalled that Liz Gunn did this. Leads me to believe she is a ConOp. Placed early on as a journalist on our side, to get a fan base. Since she also set up her political Party supposedly under the guise of being there for the freedom fighters while taking votes off the real threat, NZ FIRST. Who luckily still managed to get in via Special votes and IS making some changes. I note how she (And Ally Cook) have specifically used this BS expose to assault Winston Peters demanding he take action using this BS narrative. When in fact NO action IS necessary when he has already announced there will be a public inquiry that will include looking into the safety and efficacy of these vaccines. The two of them made some desperate plea that its SOOO urgent and Winston didnt respond....why was it suddenly so extremely urgent when "Barry" had the data for a while. At least 8 months?!
Not forgetting, this data shows NOTHING and is pure speculation. Anyone who can google NZ death stats and compare that to this data would see that straight up. All they presented was their own TWIST on the data using the worst month they could find on deaths, for maximum impact. And even in court, the only way to prove a death is via autopsy, not speculative data.
There is excess deaths yes, there are vaccine deaths yes but this is a total SCAM. Especially since they are also inviting Kiwis to come forward as a whistleblower if you have any information. BUT, where would the support and protection be exactly when Lix Gunn herself RAN AND HID like a COWARD when Barry was arrested! Mind you, that was all part of the intentional drama and emotion for their narrative! And you look overseas to see what happens to whistleblowers, NOT wise. Leave it to Winston and the Public inquiry being done where Im sure he and his team do have experts in their fields who will provide expert and qualified evidence instead of this BS SCAM from Liz and Kirsch. I believe there has been another lady investigating actual suspicious deaths since 2021 that could be vaccine related and has been interviewing people if possible and has her own database. That would be more reliable than this bs data scam. There is also our VAERS data that is more reliable than this BS data scam that someone also recently released on substack.
Kirsch IMHO can STF away from NZ and our genuine freedom movement. Kirsch who using bully tactics harassed everyone who dared challenge is data representation with his usual 1 million dollar bets where all he would do is argue his own narrative. He also LIED about his server being taken down where he was "ghosted" by Wasabi. I got the data off his server myself on the 4 Dec and when I saw his BS follow up on this whistleblower after he was arrested, I checked his server 7 Dec and could still dload the data! I took a snapshot of me logged on!
One clear sign to pick out a Controlled Operative is whether or not they are actually making a difference OR if they are creating Chaos and Division. Liz shows herself as a truther but IS creating chaos and division. We dont need the infiltration nor division and those of us aware to whats going down with this global coup are see a Con a mile away, we aint all the "sheep" the world believes us to be.
Thank you for this important insight
your welcome, even though the majority is merely my humble opinion, thank you for allowing it! I dont know what happened with the first post. Anyway, I think its important to express that most opposition to this expose is expected to be woke denial of those who arent aware of whats going on. BUT, I am a truther myself and feel its important others can see a totally different perspective even being a truther and that I see this expose as a total scam being a critical thinker that will question and examine every detail without the need to argue the validity of the data. Its not the data itself, its HOW its been used and presented for a "narrative". Typical mainstream shite if I must say! All drama and wind but NO substantial evidence behind the narrative that would even stand up in court! They expect the majority wont go dig deeper or question the narrative. All its done is create chaos and division targeting the truther community as well as attacking Winston Peters.
Ive given reasons why I dont trust Liz nor Kirsch "as I see it". We should all be challenging and questioning every thing put before just as much by those who we know to be globalists, we also need to vet and challenge those who claim to be on our side otherwise we are going from one problem straight into another. People need to not just be "awake" but not be so gullible!
Kirsch also goes on about how the data is "HIS". Legally NO its not "his". Its data taken from the MOH without approval by Barry, given to Liz who passed it onto Kirsch. And it is his "PRESENTATION" of "stolen" data. THIS expose also gave mainstream more reason to assault our truther community with their "mis-information" narratives. I got onto even gaming talk sites where there were pages and pages, hundred of comments from the woke abusing truthers. WE did not need that either.
ALSO, it could give reason to push tougher regulations and globalist narratives regarding cyber security which is a big thing right now. BUT, lucky we dont have Labour/Greens and the activist elite Te Pati Maori in power! Thanks to Lizs attempt to dispose of the NZ FIRST threat failing, they now have been shuffled to the back seats and Winston has the floor!
And, when it comes to "vetting" supposed truthers, Liz is an EX TV presenter so was/is in the club? Would they have even allowed anyone who isnt "one of them" on their stage? if she is/was, has she jumped as she claimed and "seen the light"? Thats where you have to watch what they are doing and evaluate as if on a trial period, like any job. Prove themselves. Aside from her truther journalist facade. And, the one rule of thumb to distinguish between a genuine truther and a controller operative is if they are actually making a difference or creating drama, chaos and division. She has FAILED my vetting what with her past and present actions. A good example is Tamaki. He stood as a "truther" also set up a party to steal NZ First votes. Set up protests of thousands of kiwis to walk the streets shouting FREEDOM that got us nowhere other than to make us feel like we have had our say. Whats he been doing recently? Hes been in Aussie using Maori to pushing PRO Israel narratives! - FAIL!
About 12 hours after Liz Gunn's interview with Barry Young was posted on Rumble, Aussie17 posted a Substack post about the video and tweeted a 10-minute video of highlights from the video (https://www.aussie17.com/p/new-zealand-government-data-administrator, https://x.com/_aussie17/status/1730151291937280468). Kirsch only published his Substack post about the data around 14 hours later. I think the first time I heard about the NZ data was when someone retweeted or quoted the highlight video by Aussie17. However his bio says that he is an "Ex-Big Pharma Exec exposing Big Pharma". And Liz Gunn used to be the host of several shows on mainstream TV.
So it sounds similar to the cast of characters who presented Team Enigma's findings. When Kirsch was on InfoWars, Alex Jones compared the release of the NZ data to the release of Team Enigma's data two years earlier. The first big presentations about Team Enigma's data were done in January 2022 by Sasha Latypova and Mike Yeadon, who are both former executives in the pharmaceutical industry (https://stewpeters.com/video/2022/01/hackers-reveal-deadly-jab-lot-numbers-horrific-pfizer-teen-trial-data-and-more/, https://odysee.com/%40Corona-Investigative-Committee/Mike-Session-86-en). Latypova did her presentation on the Stew Peters Show where she was interviewed by Stew and Jane Ruby, who both used to work in mainstream media just like Liz Gunn. (I believe it was also Latypova's debut appearance in alt media, and she later started to push Stew psyops about hydrogel and self-assembling structures found in COVID jabs. 🤔)
One of my points was that my trust has been destroyed in many who have had fame, positions of power, or any sort of "voice", and clearly for good reason since we do not know if they are ConOp or genuine Fence Jumpers since these globalists specialize in infiltration and psychological warfare. And, its easy for them to do what with intimidation, contracts, NDAs, threats... A good example is our own media. WTF has happened? I used to be proud of them. I used to believe they were up the top there with the best in the world in genuine unbias journalism, until Jabcinda paid them off!
So, I see MAJOR errors being made here with the TRUST issues I have developed and thats that we are allowing so-called "truthers" the stage WITHOUT vetting them. Again, using Maloney as an example...WHO out of us has ever had the chance to vet him and screen him and been given an opportunity to vote him into a position of authority where he has taken it upon himself to head some new Baloney organisation one should just take on face value and TRUST ? One argument we all have with "global authority" has been "we did not vote for them".
Do you REALLY want someone heading any new medical association who has been involved in the evolution of something that has developed into a bio-weapon and who seems to be doing things that are hurting rather than helping? In my humble opinion, HELL NO! Certainly not during this stage as like I said, anyone with links or suspicions needs to be on a trial, observed and evaluated, then IF they have proven themselves they get a minimal position, go up in stages and continue to observe. But hes jumped to the top without any of us being given this right to vet, observe, audit and make a collective honest vote ... Same goes for Liz and her NZ "Loyal" party. Ive observed her over the past 4 years and she would NOT get my vote. But the sad thing is, others who dont understand the concerns of infiltration and how we got into the mess WILL fall for the emotion and drama and vote. I did notice that she never introduced herself with full disclosure on her past, giving information as you would for a job application, for us to vet. For example, there are "rumours" that her husband has globalist links...who is he? are they still together? what is that about? But she remained silent and had her soldiers like CSM out there in her defense saying thats none of our busines, respect his and her privacy. I disagree, it IS our business and we DO need to vet them when they want positions of power
My take on Kirsch:
https://outraged.substack.com/p/steve-kirsch
https://outraged.substack.com/p/who-is-steve-kirsch
https://outraged.substack.com/p/steve-kirsch-and-his-quantum-dots
Korry:
https://outraged.substack.com/p/pierre-kory-and-his-quantum-dots
Malone:
https://outraged.substack.com/p/robert-w-malone
https://outraged.substack.com/p/robert-w-malone-d0c
https://outraged.substack.com/p/robert-malone-and-countermeasures
https://outraged.substack.com/p/robert-malone-the-5-billion-contract
https://outraged.substack.com/p/r-w-malone-speaks-out
https://outraged.substack.com/p/robert-w-malone-vaccines-on-demand
https://outraged.substack.com/p/operation-warp-speed-father-robert
My opinion? Malone and Kirsch are CO-CREATORS of C-19 quantum dots / nanotechnology injections (with the help of many others)
Seriously? That last statement is about as absurd as one could possibly get.
Tasc Inc., Andover, Massachusetts (W81XWH-15-D-0042), were awarded a $501,000,000 order dependent contract with options for medical research. Funding and work location will be determined with each order, with an estimated completion date of July 30, 2020
Why don't you just read and research?
Searching that goes to a research project for administering oxytocin to army soldiers to "improve cohesion" (but without the D in the reference).
TASC were bought by Primark to "avoid conflicts" - laughable.
https://www.highergov.com/idv/W81XWH15D0042/
Please remember to archive as you go.
https://archive.is/kgFDR
This is what "Dr. Malone" is REALLY about
http://web.archive.org/web/20231228074705/https://www.highergov.com/idv/W81XWH15D0042/
Description WRAIR CLINICAL EVALUATION OF CHIKUNGUNYA VACCINE CANDIDATES
https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/next-pandemic/chikungunya
The next pandemic: Chikungunya?
The tiger mosquito that carries the chikungunya virus is now moving into new habitats in Europe and America thanks to climate change. This means the once tropical disease could soon become a global pandemic threat.
23 March 2021
August in Italy usually means one thing – vacation time. But in August of 2007, the tiny village of Castiglione Di Cervia in northern Italy was seeing one person after another fall sick with a high fever, muscle ache and exhaustion and excruciating joint pain.
Symptoms: A chikungunya infection causes fever and debilitating joint pain, as well as muscle pain, joint swelling, headache, nausea, fatigue and rash. The name "chikungunya" is Swahili for "that which bends," referring to the stooped posture associated with the extreme joint pain caused by the virus. Since some of the symptoms overlap with dengue and Zika, chikungunya can be misdiagnosed in areas where these diseases are common.
https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/topstories/nation/892426/chikungunya-cases-spike-by-381-doh/story/
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-022-01641-3 Chikungunya and Lyme vaccines make headway
Nature Biotechnology volume 41, page6 (2023)
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.2105 A virus-like particle vaccine for epidemic Chikungunya virus protects nonhuman primates against infection
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2812514 November 29, 2023
FDA Approves First Chikungunya Vaccine - The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recently greenlit the first vaccine to prevent chikungunya, a disease spread by mosquitos carrying the chikungunya virus. The agency called the virus an “emerging global health threat” due to its growing prevalence and geographic range. The vaccine, marketed as Ixchiq by Valneva Austria GmbH, is approved for adults 18 years or older who are at high risk of exposure to chikungunya virus.
The approval was based in part on clinical trial results showing that the live-attenuated vaccine elicited antibody levels high enough to protect against disease in about 99% of participants who received it.
Chikungunya often causes such symptoms as fever, rashes, and joint and muscle pain that last about a week, although some people experience long-term severe joint pain. Death from infection with the virus is rare.
Do you KNOW WHO "experience long-term severe joint pain"?
THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK C-19 TOXIC INJECTION!!!:
https://www.fda.gov/media/143557/download page 16: FDA Safety Surveillance of COVID-19 Vaccines - -Arthritis and arthralgia/joint pain
DRAFT Working list of possible adverse event outcomes the slide read as follows –
“FDA Safety Surveillance of COVID-19 Vaccines: DRAFT Working list of possible adverse event outcomes ***Subject to change***
-Guillain-Barré syndrome
-Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis
-Transverse myelitis
-Encephalitis /myelitis/encephalomyelitis/meningoencephalitis/meningitis/encephalopathy
-Convulsions/seizures
-Stroke
-Narcolepsy and cataplexy
-Anaphylaxis
-Acute myocardial infarction
-Myocarditis/pericarditis
-Autoimmune disease
-Deaths
-Preganacy and birth outcomes
-Other acute demyelinating diseases
-Non-anaphylactic allergic reactions
-Thrombocytopenia
-Disseminated intervascular coagulation
-Venous thromboembolism
-Arthritis and arthralgia/joint pain
-Kawasaki disease
-Multisymptom Inflammatory Syndrome in Children
-Vaccine enhanced disease”
VAERS:
https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=SYM&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19
Arthralgia 87,512 5.55%
Arthritis 4,116 0.26%
Arthritis reactive 551 0.03%
Bone pain 4,775 0.3%
Joint range of motion decreased 3,175 0.2%
Joint stiffness 2,484 0.16%
Joint swelling 6,719 0.43%
Pain 133,000 8.44%
Pain in extremity 115,021 7.3%
Rheumatoid arthritis 3,426 0.22%
Lyme disease 511 0.03%
Chikungunya virus infection 9 0%
Chills 138,569 8.79%
Rash 55,745 3.54%
Rash erythematous 12,992 0.82%
Rash follicular 9 0%
Rash macular 5,658 0.36%
Rash maculo-papular 707 0.04%
Rash maculovesicular 5 0%
Rash morbilliform 298 0.02%
Rash neonatal 5 0%
Rash papular 4,035 0.26%
Rash papulosquamous 7 0%
Rash pruritic 11,913 0.76%
Rash pustular 258 0.02%
Rash rubelliform 12 0%
Rash scarlatiniform 10 0%
Rash vesicular 1,090 0.07%
IT IS ALL ABOUT INJECTING PEOPLE WITH "SOMETHING" - TOXIC QUANTUM DOTS AND OTHER NANOTECH
Why is Gates releasing these mosquitoes? To have a new "reason" for more "injections." Haven't we had enough?
IDIQ Award to TASC by U.S. Army for Medical Product Research
and Development. (W81XWH-15-D-0042)
Capture manager, lead
author.
2016 $5 Billion
https://outraged.substack.com/p/rw-malone-and-tagging-people
IMO Gunn's actions in all this were reprehensible.
WB was only in prison coz Gunn released a video against his wishes, mainly to get her 15 minutes of fame.
Despise her actions in this unreservedly.
YES, I did see that was the case with the statement VFF release on the history behind that "data". This could have been handled much better IF he is a genuine "whistleblower" had he remained with the "other" group he had been working with .. that wasnt VFF and not gone on Gunn's bandwagon! Interesting that she was promoting "whistleblowers to come forward". Ummm what did she do what he was arrested, she went into hiding, supposedly.
Had I encouraged him to go public, Id be standing by him taking the heat with him. Despite Barry stating he was willing to suffer any consequences. Would you want to go to her with any information and trust you'd be supported and protected in any way after that cowardly show? Especially when as it is, we are seeing those who are standing up being arrested with BS charges where it will take a long time to get their day in court, only for it all to be dropped. Take Billy and Vinnie for an example. Not saying I support either of them but they are a good example of our corrupt justice system and how they are treating who they consider to be dissidents. So there is no way Id TRUST that anyone who did have information and stepped forward to Liz, would be SAFE to do so. I see it as a trap.
Agreed re: being a trap.
A very Hanlon's razor style of trap, but a trap nonetheless.
Gina you just need to take another couple of boosters!
Speaking of divisive, all I can see here is a whole lot of divisive stuff! Yuck
There is no "division" here??? No one has said anything aggressive, I see a polite conversation. What I mean by "division and chaos" is where you have an "event" that creates a separation of understanding of the event amongst the group its intended for. Which this "event" did, not this conversation about it. And, when you see that happening, critical thinkers cant help but wonder if it was done with this intent. Others with the ability to go check figures and calculations, as I did myself, I clearly saw that there is no way this "data bomb" proves anything. Instead, I saw on groups that arent even to do with any of this, game groups, gardening groups all once again slamming us "truthers" and with every reason to as well since that data proved nothing and made us look STUPID. Have you actually taken any of the actual post serious, have you looked at the data itself, have you looked at NZ Stats figures and looked at other more relevant data sets like our own VAERS or have you randomly just decided this conversation is divisive and Liz is a sweet harmless "truther" without adding anything to prove contrary to general opinion and to the main article?
Well said
Meanwhile...why was there a mass population 'vaccine solution' against a disease it was known from the beginning wasn't a serious threat to most people?
The political and social damage caused by the imposition of coercive/mandated vaccination must be evaluated - the destruction of personal autonomy and bodily integrity, and the exploitation of the population with highly questionable vaccine products.
The most astonishing thing is the medical 'profession' collaborated with the violation of voluntary informed consent, the most important ethical principle in medicine.
And it's still happening... I question whether anyone has given valid voluntary informed consent to the Covid jabs...or any vaccination for that matter.
Excellent point. And in fact their "stolen data" reinforces this point. For a fatal pandemic necessitating biofascist measures there should have been a massive improvement in mortality from the intervention, and there wasn't. In fact the interventions over 2 years produced an increase in mortality at least the level expected from an unexplained increase in elderly in the population.
Did you get any gut feeling about the integrity of the ‘official’ data? This unexplained ageing of the population seems a bit suspect given that CoViD disproportionately affected the elderly. There has been some occasional suspicion of official data tampering elsewhere …
I have more than guts feelings as far as falsification of official data goes ; the census data for example in the US is a major confounder on which I'm preparing an article.
Deaths are harder to falsify ; but the data collection procedures of the states must be scrutinized with care prior to draw conclusions.
It is irrefutable, as is the data from the USA and other countries see Dr David Martin, Dr Mike Yeadon, Dr Judy Mikowitz, while they are trying to save lives you are trying to do the opposite. How much are you getting paid?
Read again what was written, thanks, these little characters in black under white background often have meaning.
Your message being an exception to this rule of course.
Steve Kirsch is offering millions to anyone who can prove covid-19 actually exists. Secondly, the jab (which is not a vax) has been declared by the state of Florida to be a biological weapon and a nano technology weapon. I'm sure they did their research diligently. Thirdly, america's leading cardiologist has declared the covid-19 injection is a killer and that those conspiring like the FDA, WHO, CDC, TGA, etc are criminals.
Yes, just how trustworthy is NZstats I wonder. And why would there be ‘unexplained aging’ .. same as you stated. Unless their gov somehow expected them to already be dead. And especially when those dying of whatever it was were OLDer than the average age of death.
What is "unexplained increased in elderly population" supposed to mean? Did aliens land a fleet of Cocooners in New Zealand in 2022?
As far as the fact that none gave informed consent, I could hardly agree with you more.
Frauds of the Pfizer EUA & BLA trials are the key focus of this Substack, when we don't have to defuse time-bombs planted by "our side".
Yes, the biggest and most destructive fraud of all time, and the perpetrators are still walking around scot free…
We also have to examine the abysmal failure of the ‘doctors’ and ‘professors’ to question the unnecessary ‘vaccine solution’ in the first place.
See for example my recent substack article: Why was there a 'vaccine solution'?
Against a disease it was known from the beginning wasn't a serious threat to most people... https://elizabethhart.substack.com/p/why-was-there-a-vaccine-solution
And in the same vein ... were the injections even authorised for the use of preventing transmission in NZ? (I mean not authorised at all, not provisional approval). In Australia, this is what the PARs said on the subject. https://homocomfortus.substack.com/p/the-covid-response-in-australia
I am no stats guru
I am no medical genius or even quite frankly that interested in ‘science’
But I can smell a rat from quite a distance
I have had 3 football mates from 1980’/90’s who I haven’t seen for many years die from heart attacks and strokes ( heard through the grapevine) a mates little sister die from blood clots, a friend of my wife lucky to be alive after a stroke, 2 people I play tennis with Bell’s palsy and shingles ( we thought the first one was a stroke), another guy I play volleyball with a heart attack, my wife knows someone who was diagnosed with cancer and died in a month, met another lady (just last week) who had encephalitis and is fucked for life , will never work again has massive brain fog, specialist thinks vax
There are some others I have no doubt forgotten, these are ones I know about, many people are hesitant to share illnesses or most likely vax injuries
All these people were double triple and maybe vaxed more.
I have been at Marches in the city where I have met Mums whose kids have got myocarditis.
Probably 100% zero have been reported to Vaers.
Alternatively pre vax we could go years without hearing of deaths or serious illnesses from friends or family.
So I just don’t buy for a second that this data proves nothing or even the opposite, what I do know is statistics can be manipulated to show what you want.
My eyes and ears tell me the truth.
Agreed. Please feel free to read the article
Yes, and this brainiac Syed gave us cause to think the psy op through. I had doubts, just given the fact I knew all data was manipulated by the globalists who pushed the shot. From VAERS, to the secoind CDC hidden database, to the redactions, the hidden research lies and all the friggin bullshit they fed us. Have to be an idiot to eat what they were serving as safe and effective.
Of course there is excess mortality. Rancourt has crunched those numbers, and chat gtp had no issues with how he did it. WITH A CAUTION, THAT THE DATA IS LACKING. So everything we hear, has to include a maybe/maybe not.
We know for fact there is graphene oxide in the shot, and G.O., causes blood clots and hyper inflammation.(likely wrong term) We know for certain that there is P.E.G. in the shot and it is toxic, we know for certain there is contaminant DNA in the shot, including sv 40...
There are hundreds of studies showing harm from the shot, while Doshi stated the 1 in 800 serious adverse events.
I figured out 40 years ago that voting in a representational democracy that is owned by inequality is a fools game. And then I watched the many patterns fall into place, from Agenda 21, to the Great Reset.
60 years old. There is absolutley no doubt, this injection was for geo political purpose.
We also know for certain that Graphene oxide has been extensively studies for self assembling transmitters and in body sensors. But they have never been able to solve the fact that G.O. kills, while statiung repeatedly in the research out there that "more research is needed"
Well they just did 3 years of more research using billions of people.
It woudl be a ridiculous preposition that there was no excess death from that shot.
Anyone denying there is G.O. in the shot , is controlled opposition. End of story. I can prove it objectively, subjectively, and circumstantially.
Please do prove it, because so far everything I have seen re Graphine Oxyde was utter fabricated crap.
Don't forget to share a reproducible protocol for the demonstration.
Good thing for me, I know that your ignorance is not knowledge
Beyond any reasonable doubt. While you naysay based on ignorance.
Powerful evidences, thanks. Take a week of rest.
It’s almost as if important, well-researched and well-analysed official datasets begin life as anecdotal evidence that then spark genuine scientific curiosity in professional, honest observers... (spoiler: they do)... Anecdotes such as yours are everywhere. There are websites, Facebook groups, podcasts, channels, books and all manner of sirens blasting this info all day long (those that haven’t been censored, suppressed, smeared or infiltrated, at least...) and at some point, enough NPC normie sheeple are going to have to inadvertently red pill each other with words like “yeah, I’ve been noticing that too...” and “do you think they might not have our best interests at heart?” if enough of us are to get out of this alive...
Interesting article, thanks for the analysis, I look forward to looking through the GitHub repo. As someone from NZ the death rates espoused by those releasing of the data always seemed absurd and I was surprised no one was talking about the age of the cohorts. It seems like the guy (awaiting imprisonment) who released the data may be genuine?!? but have no understanding of death rates amongst elderly cohorts, but I sadly I don't think the same can be said of those pushing the story. All that being said, there does seem to be an increase in emergency call outs (my town has a volunteer fire brigade that doubles as paramedics and is summonsed to duty by siren) , we've gone from 2-3 alarms per week to at least 1 sometimes 5 per day. But as for the death rates reported in "alt" media from this leak they are impossible, half the country would be dead. One point to note, e.g. what seems a data error, the 32 doses for one person, may in fact be true, a few people were busted by the cops for getting injections on behalf of others for cash, so that the others could get the vaccine passports and keep their jobs, so while unlikely it is still possible. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Yes that's our view too. This data was deliberately released as bait and it under reports deaths... Either deliberately or due to the nature of data linkage
If this was released as some sort of smoke and mirrors operation, the individual involved should end up walking free. He has breached the information security and privacy regulations, which attract a minimum five years jail. If the NZ government choose to claim the data is "national security" classified due to the damage the release could cause to the NZ government, the punishment increases again. Watch this space because the whistleblower is up for at least ten years jail time. If he walks then a stinky rat is in the biscuit tin.
Let's see..if the data is real it is likely just missing death data. There is no reason to believe he would have access to that.
My understanding is NZ government was not storing all the data in the one database, hence why certain data was missing. He is the database administrator, no reason to believe he would not have access to the entire table set in order to do his job. I believe he grabbed what he thought was useful to expose what is happening. The NZ government has owned it and stated as such and locked him up. So either they are lying and have run this massive operation to discredit the anti pharma movement and set this guy up for the fall or its genuine. I don't see the NZ government, having the time or resources to go to those lengths while trying to win an election.
You might wish to remember that the NZ government were the ones that declared that the only source of COVID truth was theirs. You might also recall the lengths the NZ government went to, to stop any discussion of Brenton Tarrant - which included shutting down multiple websites around the world except the very one which hosted the original video. The NZ government are perfectly capable of coming up with Barry Young, but this article does not state that they did. It merely shows you that the claims made about Barry Young's findings representing an overt safety signal are false.
I remember every government in the G20 stating they were the only source of covid truth. I also remember the Tarrant incident under Ardern. I never said they were not capable of coming up with Barry Young, I said it was unlikely they had the time or resources to do so given the Labor party were struggling to stay in power. Not even NZ Labor are so stupid as to try something like that when up for reelection the risk of it backfiring if proven they leaked "Misinformation" charged and jailed Young would prove everything that has been said about them being totalitarian and evil would be validated publicly. Iif the data is legit and proven correct, they lose again. I do not disagree with the last line nor do I agree as I have not sliced and diced my set of the data and most likely won't. I have a copy to ensure it was preserved and rely on the experts at this stuff to science it out for me.
It could be genuine and incomplete.
It could also be originally genuine and then manipulated.
I'm torn.
I'm skeptical that this was a clever op by the NZ government.
I'm amazed to read that you think it's more important to protect the government than a genuine researcher who stuck his neck out to give you the information.
I'm afraid you misread us.
Time will tell if B.Y. is genuine, and we only argue in favor of data transparency. Good data, if possible.
Meanwhile trying to sell this data as the MOAR which will end the shots is an absolute fallacy which convinces none (rightfully) on the proponent side of the jabs.
A key reason for said jabs to be still standing is because we are regularly polluted by people who don't care much about accuracy - to the detriment of all of us as far as public perception is concerned.
The accuracy seems to only be looked at from one side which is a characteristic of our warped society. Why is the data so hard to procure? Why is it ok for the agencies to hide it or make it confusing? Why didn't everyone ask for the data when covid was said to be a pandemic? Why no data about the isolation of covid itself? It's all one-sided, that is the real pollution. And why should the man be in jail when he may have used the data that was available? I thought it was innocent until proven guilty.
We don't disagree. All this data should be transparent and then there would be no need to procure a Barry Young and put other people who were trying to help resolve this at risk, which is precisely what happened.
You make a good point which if I may I will expand...
If someone is forcing you (assuming you are of sound mind) to take a medical treatment it cannot, by definition, be in your best interests.
That's right because ultimately it has to be a choice whether to take them or not, but it was so pushed and coerced upon the people, one cannot say they were asked. What happened to body autonomy? Did that just go out the window? Why wasn't anyone howling about that? But if the nefarious side - the side that wants to jab everyone on earth - makes claims, they get supported. Where were the skeptics when the pandemic was called? Nobody asked for evidence there was a pandemic, or that the hospitals were filled, and a whole lot more.
I subscribe Mathew Crawford's RTE locals. He knows SK. The guy's untrustworthy.
Trends in cause of death could be interesting; I think in Australia cardiovascular deaths have been much higher but offset by unusually low deaths from respiratory infections?
Personally, I worry that extended debate over this kind of stuff takes our eyes off the ball. It's like the game "look over there". We already know that Operation Warp Speed was run by the DOD as a bioweapons program, complete with laws applicable only during an "emergency" allowing contracts to call for the manufacture of "countermeasures", not vaccines. We already know that no informed consent was possible and that the ingredients of the jabs are toxic to the human body. I think there's plenty of information already available to fry the perpetrators of the so-called "pandemic".
So ... what should we be focusing the vast majority of our time on in my opinion? Pressuring our individual states to maximize the use of states' rights to oppose the global cabal of psychopathic oligarchs. Withdrawing from the WHO. Organizing massive rebellion against the installation of financial control systems like CBDC (or equivalent), digital IDs, centralized surveillance databases, and social credit systems. Loss of financial transaction freedom means loss of individual sovereignty. Bye bye USA, hello China. MAKE SOME NOISE.
Totally agree..We felt that it was necessary to put this "bombshell" to bed to show people the dirty tricks that vested interests will play to distract the population from whom awareness is their biggest fear.
Brilliant comment!
💯% 🎯
Yes, I am in agreement on this
Sasha Latypova, Catherine Watt and Mike Yeadon have nailed this.
1. If Steve's interpretation is incorrect, he must say so.
2. See 3.
3. False flag with plant could explain all.
Removed & banned 24 hours for sharing personal coordinates.
Because some don't know who "Dover" is, here's info: https://arkmedic.substack.com/p/is-tiffany-dover-responsible-for
@exposingliesanddeceptions
Wow, Fast Eddy got banned from here while I was replying to him. I wonder what he did here.
I was going to say that I gave him a way to enact his Tiffany Dover plan before when he got banned from Steve Kirsch newsletter, that is - start a GiveSendGo and write his own Substack Articles detailing his Tiffany Dover plan to hire a PI, linking to it.
If the plan is really great he doesn't need Steve Kirsch to finance it. People would jump at the chance to help.
Steve didn't ban you - I banned you for spamming after repeatedly warning you that's it's ok to post about Tiffany Dover but to not repeatedly copy/paste the same comment as spam. You just wouldn't stop.
I assume you were trying to get banned so you could pretend Steve Kirsch banned you.
If the person is a "muh graphene" bot then they won't last very long on here either
you babble ignorance as knowledge, and do you really think intelligent people give a fuck about being "here"? You are nothing more than a pimple on a horses d1ck, with an opinion you think is fact :P
have a nice day...
I see -- can you ask Steve why he refused to respond to my suggestions that he offer Dover One Million Dollars for an interview?
Could it be that Steve is a false actor who is tasked (as is Malone) with running the A Vaxxers in circles -- he releases info knowing full well that it will not reach the Vaxxers - or if it does they will delete it cuz it's not bbccnn... no harm done right?
But the Dover thing... that's different innit....
If he contacts the husband (his info is all over the web)... and makes the offer through him... and they turn it down... after she just did the NBC freebie...
Well that most certainly would draw the attention of the Vaxxers... they surely would ask -- why would she turn down all the $$$$ --- she just did a freebie where she said she wanted to kill the rumours that she's dead...
What better place to kill the rumours than to address them with the A Vaxxers on SS....
Yes indeed that might actually bring them into the A Vaxxer parallel universe and Steve's bosses at the Ministry of Truth said -- do not respond Fast Eddy - do NOT offer $$$.
And you will recall where I doubled down and suggested Steve hire a PI to determine if Dover is alive... how hard can that be? Surely it would be easy to find her house - just follow hubby.
Then stake it out and see if she goes out --- you know ... supermarket ... shopping... hair salon...
Steve didn't want to do that either.
And then -- you banned me.
Like I said -- Steve is an embedded agent... he is playing his role... just like Malone... and many others here on SS
Ever wonder why other platforms have been heavily censored -- but not SS?
I betcha cuz they want to use SS to keep an eye on all the A Vaxxers... make sure they are not up to any mischief... run them in circles releasing damning info -- they believe they are Winning... so they don't cause trouble
Ask Steve about this.
Funny thing - if he comments on other SSs I immediately ask him why he banned me over the Dover suggestion ... he ignores me
I don't ask Steve Kirsch questions for people - you were banned for spamming - it had nothing to do with Tiffany Dover. Many people post about Dover on Steve Kirsch Newsletter and don't get banned - because they don't freak out and spam the comments.
You hang out with the gossipers and haters; since you hate Steve Kirsch why do you think he would fund your Tiffany Dover plan? If your plan is good write it up in your own Substack and post a GiveSendGo. Fund your plan yourself and just do it.
Again, if your plan is good it will be easily funded by all the people rushing to agree with you. Nobody is stopping you from enacting your plan and to carry out your dreams - except your own obsession, paranoia and hatred.
While you're busy gossiping and hating, Steve Kirsch and Robert Malone are holding another Covid Litigation Conference to help lawyers go after the bad guys. You're welcome.
http://covidlitigation.com/
Who is helping Barry Young with legal fees?
Trying a little gossip on your own? Simple reading usually debunks gossip.
"The first rule of holes: when you find yourself in one, stop digging.
Maybe you want to consider withdrawing your criminal charges against Barry Young? He did not commit a crime. He relied on the advice of experts including UK Professor Norman Fenton before releasing the data. Of course, you wouldn’t know that because you never asked him. You never even talked to him before having him arrested. Your actions are despicable."
- Steve Kirsch to the NZ Government.
Also, if you really want to know details, ask Barry Young on Twitter where you can donate to his legal fund. https://twitter.com/BarryYoungNZ/status/1740162016885801283
Isn't Malone the guy who stated he has very deep ties to the CIA (and deep state)?
Hmmm....
Yes, you have no evidence that Dr. Malone is a secret agent for deep state so you gossip and wonder. Meanwhile, Dr. Malone goes to British Parliament and testifies against the vaccines.
Sitting and stewing in gossip doesn't help anyone, especially you.
1. If someone does not respond to a very good question --- does it not make sense to ask again? Just in case they missed it the first time ... and the second... and the third... etc...
We know why Steve did not respond - he has received my question on other SSs as I replied to his comments... it's because he is a false actor... He will NEVER do anything to actually harm The Plan... that's quite obvious.
What do you think - should he offer Dover 1M for an interview?
2. You have me all wrong ..... I support the extermination plan... just like Steve I understand that it is necessary. Details of what Steve knows here https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=220
I'm just having a bit of fun with ya'll ... it doesn't matter... the deal is done .. now we just wait for The Pathogen to be released - then the dying begins
Most people can guess why he didn't respond - he's busy testifying, analyzing data, organizing lawyers, more defeat the mandate rallies - helping doctors against medical boards and especially helping the vaccine injured.
You hate that, it seems. What do you have against the vaccine injured that you want to stop VSRF from helping them?
Which one are you ? The one who was throwing coordinates of a potential vax-injured's husband while getting hot, or the one who was insulting us for being pharma-shills in 20 irrelevant comments ?
He banned me long time ago. So is Malone, Cole and those others who deny G.O. in the experimental shot. It has been found definitively, it is researched for years definitevly, it is used in current medicine definitively, they just dont want us knowing WHY they put it in this shot
You also were banned by me from Steve Kirsch Newsletter for bad comment behavior. Many people disagree and are NOT banned because they engage in civil commenting behavior.
Just reply that you will comment in a civil manner from now on and I'll unban you.
If you have access to Steve's comments, you can ask him why he ignored mine re his massacre of the Deaths count during the Pfizer trial - both on Substack & Twitter ?
https://twitter.com/canceledmouse/status/1645793955160920066
I just moderate comments there and don't have any special access except in cases of emergency when trolls try to take down the site.
I do read his articles and twitter a lot and have noticed Steve Kirsch is so busy he set up https://kirschsubstack.com/p/how-to-contact-me . If you choose option one you will get a subset of choices, pick one you think is best.
I would love to hear an X Space with you and Dr. Syed discussing the NZ data with Steve Kirsch and a few other experts. I think a civil discussion is much better than people insulting and accusing.
I agree but unfortunately whilst the threats to me continue this will never be possible. Perhaps one day when the public ever stands behind whistleblowers this may change. For now, if you believe Barry Young is a whistleblower, it is interesting to watch the apathy from the public in his regard.
And you think I give a flying fuck ? How about this, in the words of E.M.
"go fuck yourself"
Thanks for confirming I made the right decision! 😁
Usually it just takes a little bit of patience!
I'll watch. However, even if he is totally wrong on Dover (whoever that is--I do not know that story) and banning you, 90% of what he does is on our side.
This is not a time to avoid compromise on some issues if we are to forge alliances and win the war. I don't know what to think about "virus," whether they exist or not. I don't really care. I don't know that what is "in" the shots is totally relevant to winning the war, because that fact of massive numbers of adverse events is really all that's relevant. In fact, pointing to what's "in" the jabs could work against us--because gee, we didn't realize our manufacturing processes were so awful; we'll improve those and all will be good and the jab will be heaven on earth.
In propaganda/marketing, there's the "hook" and the "message." They can be very different. Let's focus on the hook so we can instill the message.
Pushing 90 (or 99%) of good - and never original - information while pushing 1% to 10% of garbage is the description of the standard playbook of the infiltrate.
Out of memory, can you quote one original information Steve provided, resisting to scrutiny ? I can't - yet I have followed closely.
He is in the face of the opposition, million dollar bets and all. He's an educator, not an originalist. We need all kinds; that's what makes a team.
I disagree on garbage and infiltration. Look at Trump: nearly everything he did in the first three years was great; year four, the opposite. Yet, against anyone else with a change of winning, I'd vote for him again. (And I voted libertarian in 2016; I did not and actually do not trust him, as he is unprincipled, but learning. And he had some of the right people around him in the first three years.)
Ayn Rand had a rule: you deviate, you were out of her circle. So who did she keep in longer than nearly anyone else? Greenspan. How well did that work?
Rand was a cultist (which fit right in with her amphetamine addiction). The people here, and on Alexander's and others' sites, need to stop acting like cultists.
That was a pretty simply question from OV was it not?
Now, if you have to strawman for the answer it should at least make you think a little surely.
Alexander, then team Trump, was instrumental in pushing Remdesivir.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.23.20110932.full
I don't do in politics - US politics least of all - but Trump is perfectly aware Pfizer nuked him on his reelection. He said nothing and is still proud of warp-speed. Why ?
https://openvaet.substack.com/p/pfizerbiontech-c4591001-trial-can
Agreed to disagree re "who is an educator" and isn't. Pushing detrimental elements in opposition movements remains a standard move. Particularly with authoritarian regimes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column
Good question. Pfizer screwed Trump by not releasing the vaccine before the election and yet he is still singing their praises even though he has to know how they are injuring and killing people. Why indeed.
And if you recall both Biden and Kamala said that they wouldn’t take the 'Trump' vaccine because they didn’t know if it was safe…and yet 19 days later they both took the 'Trump' vaccine. I’m sure that no safety information came out before they got theirs.
Also he signed 2 executive orders.
1- he wanted to send everyone HCQ, but someone derailed it and yet he never followed through to do it.
2- he ordered that doctors had the right to try any treatments they wanted to. I don’t remember how he phrased it. Doctors already had the right, but hospital administrators were not allowing them to do it.
I’ve never decided whether the deep state actually hated Trump or if he was just a patsy. Too many things just don’t add up.
Dr. Paul Elias Alexander pushed WhenDeathIsNear??!!! Wow. SMH. Has he admitted yet that it causes death from kidney disease? The very definition of pushing detrimental "elements," in a sense.
This is so much better than a detective novel. Or a horror movie. We are living in a horror shit show with a few great detectives who have devoted enormous amounts of time to figuring out who the perps are. You are no doubt among them, even if I'm unsure whether I agree on every point. I do maintain war makes strange bedfellows and we must not allow the enemy to divide us. Coalitions are essential, much as I'd like to be pure.
I remember early on Steve was on a podcast or gave an interview when he was launching his own part of the medical freedom movement - in order to be a sort of crusader for truth. And he told this little story; when announcing his plans to his wife she exclaimed, “But Steve, how will we support our family?” And he told her not to worry about that; this endeavor was more important. At the time I’m thinking the poor guy is sacrificing everything especially his family’s financial welfare. Later I find out he’s a multimillionaire—that’s when I began questioning him.
I was insisting on the lift of his Twitter suspension a year ago ; I understand what you mean.
Interesting angle on past ideological positions.
https://outraged.substack.com/p/steve-kirsch
Holy cow. I don't know when Kirsch wrote that first post highlighted on your link -- "How it will end," but my eyes bugged out when I read this completely unironic gem of Kirsch's -- "The Clinton Global Initiative may one day save us."
Can anyone with a stellar IQ ever have been that naive? Heavens! Now I have to consider that he's a "globalist player," which makes ME the naive one in my original estimation of Kirsch. (Live and learn.)
We all knew or should have known that Steve Kirsch was a Democrat and all that goes with it. However, reading explains a lot - most of the gossipers don't read much about their gossip subject, just what they can twist to get someone to hate them.
For instance, if you read you'll find out OneID is for authenticating logins - for any site, not just banks. It's like a doorlock, not a global digital finance system. Also, SK resigned from there in 2021.
If you read you find out Steve Kirsch wrote an article a short time ago where someone told him fluoride in the water was toxic. As he wrote, his first thought was to go with consensus science but his vaccine-aware mind process made him stop and think. He investigated and wrote an article against fluoride in the water.
This tells me that his whole consensus science belief system has been shattered. Therefore I don't take as gospel Kirsch's consensus science beliefs from 2010. Certainly I can't believe he's a secret agent for Deep State.
He's gone up against vaccine companies, banks, and governments so they all hate him. Logic dictates that the enemy of my enemies is my friend.
You two are the best!
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Excellent work, thank you!
Steve Kirsch has been doing this for some time.
Remember how he had people searching for the elusive "underreporting factor", when the gold standard of post-approval pharmacovigilance data analysis are proportional reporting ratios?
He ignored all of my attempts to set that straight.
Ah Kahn Syed clearly... so many questions:
"Why do Steve Kirsch (and others) insist on touting this data... Why did the authorities wait... Is this data set a “false flag” to poison the well or conflate?"
Trust no one Mr Mulder.
There are no 'apparent' excess deaths because you haven't allowed for the incredible savings of life as a consequence of no influenza/other respiratory infections. When you calculate your 'expected deaths' you need to calculate them on a no-respiratory infections basis. These infections result in deaths attributed to all causes, on a seasonal basis. I've done a lot of work on this, in an equivalent locked-down jurisdiction, Victoria (Australia).
See here, for example: https://madeleinelove.substack.com/p/victorian-vaccine-deaths
I've just bought nearly $1,000 worth of ABS data to get a really fine picture - report still to come. https://madeleinelove.substack.com/p/i-bought-some-death-data
If controlling for the absence of infections still doesn't bring forth the excess deaths then we'd be asking about the contents of the injections used in New Zealand.
Thanks Madeleine ; wasn't aware you had a Substack ; I'll read it with great interest once the guests will be gone.
Re your specific point, it'll be hard to diagnose. We do see a strong drop in elders deaths in 2021 tho.
It sounds more logical to me that Pfizer knew well which lots had high levels of endotoxins & avoided to ship these on small islands.
"guests" ;)
Interestingly the Australian states are very different. Victoria and Queensland were terrible, and Western Australia and Tasmania still had negative excess deaths, even up to 2023. I put it in a substack here. https://madeleinelove.substack.com/p/were-australian-states-trialling
I've partly explained it, but haven't updated. It's partly due to the volume of deaths in 2020. I'd set my 0 excess date at 1/1/2020. Both Western Australia and Tasmania made huge savings in deaths in 2020, where Victoria and Queensland were not far off normal. In the case of Western Australia they had a very big flu year in 2019 (disproportionately affects the 70s & 80s people who could otherwise live on), so a lot of the chronic heart/respiratory illness people who would've been affected by covid or the vaxes had already left. Thus, in the 2020-2022 excess death equation WA has a very low 2020 number that benefits their equation. I would be checking the history of death in New Zealand.
I also wondered about the vaccine factor in Australia. Victoria manufactured Astrazeneca, and due to the lockdowns people jumped out quickly to get vaxd. The effect is dramatic, ditto on Queensland. NSW was certainly trying to avoid using Astrazeneca, maybe SA too. Western Australia took it very slowly. By the Danish paper the early Pfizers were worst - their conclusions have been challenged, but this could be a factor.
I've briefly looked at NZ, and haven't seen excess on a gross analysis, as you say. My method requires week of occurrence data but haven't found that by cause of death - only covid (from memory). If they didn't have a massive round of death in aged care homes soon after their Pfizer vaccines (as openly reported in Norway) I'd be shocked. But if you're using annual data you probably won't see it. Many wouldn't have naturally lived past the year end. Some people would shrug and say 'so what, they were nearly dead anyway'. But as someone one who was locked down for four months in Victoria, on behalf of these lives, to see them immediately taken out by the vaccines, I'm not impressed. Where was the shrugging over covid 'so what, they were nearly dead anyway'? Life is so precious, unless it's lost to a vaccine. This was the first I did on the flu method, for the whole of Australia. Puts in a bit more useful background, but is probably more confused, and a bit more excited - I struggle with organising material for best understanding. "The vaccine deaths are clear in the data" https://madeleinelove.substack.com/p/the-vaccine-deaths-are-clear-in-the
I note you use the word infection. The flu maybe infectious! It may cause loss of life! Is there proof that the flu is contagious?
This is a substack I will have to write. As they keep telling us that covid is infectious. I get that both like the flu has never been shown to be contagious. The same as the 'common cold'. The welcome foundation has huge data set on this from the experiments they carried out in conjunction with the UK ministry of defence from 1946 to 1989.
Maybe you might have insights into contagion of Covid flu or the cold.
Thanks for reviewing this data. I would ask you a few questions:
1. In the graph with deaths per day of exposure, you state a small increase is due to ageing. The rate increases to nearly double (150->300) during a year or so. Are you suggesting one year of ageing doubles the risk of death?
2. In the last graph you provide, with the expected mortality for the data cohort, why are you so confident it's due to missing data? Most other studies show that the vaccinated die at a lower rate than the average population. That would explain the difference.
3. Also in the last graph, you do not comment on the vastly different temporal patterns between expected and observed. Why would they differ?
Based on 2 and 3, my take is that you have identified what most safety studies have, namely that the mortality of the vaccinated is less than the general population.
Since it is entirely possible for a cohort to be both healthier than the average citizen and at the same time experience an increased risk from an intervention, this looks like a case of ignoratio elenchi.
The point is that the data provided (if indeed it is real at all) does not give us any valid mechanism to assess whether vaccination in New Zealand has made any difference to mortality. For such a deduction you would need a comparative cohort of vaccinated vs unvaccinated. This is not that. No deductions can be made from this data other than that it was released in order to cause chaos and allow people to be sucked into making false claims about it.
There is an increase in mortality in New Zealand in the last 2 years, but this needs to be unpicked. It is unacceptable that no pharmacovigilance has been performed in that time period. If it had been, there would be no controversy here because the data would be available to inspection. It is not.
This data set is not a pharmacovigilance data set
"No deductions can be made from this data other than that it was released in order to cause chaos and allow people to be sucked into making false claims about it."
I suspected that from the beginning, but that theory appears to be a little difficult to reconcile with the extreme lengths that the NZ health authorities have gone to in order to prevent the data being shared, unless that is part of the grand distraction too, but then that adds another layer of complexity to the whole thing. It's very puzzling, especially as the NZ whistleblower data is largely irrelevant anyway - numerous analyses from around the world prove beyond doubt that the 'vaccines' were neither safe (VERY far from it) or effective, or NECESSARY.
I'm a kiwi and live in the brainwashed capital of Wellington.
NZWB data or not in my own life I have friends suffering from strokes, heart attacks, alot of prostate cancer, neurological issues and climbing the list is thyroid issues. The oldest is an extremely fit 73 the youngest 42, all men. Two things I can say. If the death rate has not gone up I would be amazed but one thing is for sure it soon will be. Another thing is that most of the above have spent a large part of their lives hunting and fishing and are/were very capable men. I said to wife that one thing is for sure the last thing I would want is to be hunted by the capable men in our lives.
Another small anecdote was a visit from my neighbour, formerly very pro jab. "I think we are living through a genocide"
All anecdotal of course but the world is painfully slowly waking up. Hold onto your hats.
We don't disagree. The point of this article is to highlight something that is not what it was sold as.
Immensely frustrating for people (the majority) who are not trained in statistical analysis and cannot therefore form an independent opinion as to who is right and who is wrong on this issue, or indeed come to the conclusion that there is not enough information to ascertain with any certainty who is right and who is wrong. From what I can gather on Steve's thread, a crucial part of the answer lies in whether the UKHSA have indeed published a sound methodology for a time series cohort analysis or not, which Steve claims to have employed in his analysis of the NZWBD. As far as I can tell, that has not been established. I would be interested to hear what Norman Fenton has to say about this. Maybe he will get involved in the discussion. perhaps the major point to be made here is that the whole issue tends to muddy the waters and sow confusion in the statistically uneducated masses like myself. That's not positive.
Sometimes, a single anecdote is worth a thousand pieces of jumbled up data.
Thanks for both of your replies. I agree, I have not seen any convincing analysis of the data yet. And the integrity issues you point to seem enough to pull the whole dataset into question.
That said, I also have yet to see an analysis breaking down the data in such a way as to address e.g. temporal death patterns properly, such as the ones I've pointed to in my analysis with profs. Fenton and Neil.
We have supplied the scripts so anyone can verify this modelled analysis. As far as we are aware this is the only analysis that looks at how many deaths there should have been in that cohort
Similar analysis has been done before by me and Uncle John Returns: https://twitter.com/UncleJo46902375/status/1737451492284539222, https://twitter.com/UncleJo46902375/status/1736389287354978784.
No this is not a similar analysis at all. This is the only analysis that we are aware of that generated simulated data on the basis of the existing NZ mortality datasets. You seem to have taken your analysis offline., or at least the data behind it.
The difference between Model.R and my R scripts is that Model.R uses the reported monthly number of deaths by age group to model the expected deaths in the pay-per-dose cohort, but I used the average reported yearly deaths in 2021 and 2022. So it's a difference of temporal resolution. However Model.R uses 5-year age groups but my scripts uses single-year ages, so my scripts have higher resolution in terms of age groups.
However I have also calculated excess ASMR in the pay-per-dose data relative to the monthly reported number of deaths in 5-year age groups: https://mongol-fi.github.io/moar.html#Excess_ASMR_compared_to_reported_mortality_data_in_New_Zealand.
I now also tried to calculate the expected monthly number of deaths based on the monthly reported deaths in 5-year age groups, but the number of deaths in the pay-per-dose data was about 16% lower than expected, which matches your results:
t=read.table("data-transparency/New Zealand/time-series summaries/month_dose_week_single_age.txt",header=T)
t=t[t$dose>=1&t$month<="2023-09",]
death=read.csv("https://mongol-fi.github.io/f/nz_monthly_deaths_by_age.csv")|>subset(ethnicity=="Total")
a=with(death,aggregate(count,list(year=year_reg,month=month_reg,age=as.numeric(substr(age_group,1,2))),sum))
pop=read.csv("https://mongol-fi.github.io/f/nz_infoshare_population.csv",row.names=1,check.names=F)|>tail(10)
ages=unique(a$age)
cut=cut(as.numeric(colnames(pop)),c(ages,Inf),,T,F)
pop2=tapply(unlist(pop),list(row(pop),rep(cut,each=nrow(pop))),sum,na.rm=T)
me=merge(expand.grid(list(age=ages,year=as.numeric(rownames(pop))))|>cbind(pop=c(t(pop2)),month=7),a,all=T)
me$pop=unlist(tapply(me$pop,me$age,zoo::na.spline))
me$pop=me$pop*c(31,28,31,30,31,30,31,31,30,31,30,31)[me$month]
t$age=ages[cut(t$age,c(ages,Inf),,T,F)]
me$month=sprintf("%d-%02d",me$year,me$month)
me=merge(me,t)
expected=tapply(me$alive*me$x/me$pop,me$month,sum,na.rm=T)
round(expected)
sum(me$dead)/sum(expected) # 0.8373551
BTW when I tried to run Model.R, I got an error on line 31 because the `min_age` variable had not been defined.
Thanks for taking the time to read it !
1. The rate per day of exposure indeed increases, which is consistent with a cohort already more aged than the average population and a 2022 higher than usual mortality in the elders. It might benefit to be clarified indeed - but the fact that the mortality shown remains always below expectancy once factorized the age doesn't make said increase alarming.
2. The data structure & quality of the database is very hard to evaluate but looks quite poor. There is no reason to assume that the reporting of the deaths is automated and reliable. I'm yet to see a study which advances a lower mortality rate in the vaccinated while providing a number of vaccinated consistent with the number of doses administered to the country studied's citizens. Happy to review it if you have one in mind. For now I assume that data consistency issues - such as difficulties to reconcile married women & vaccination status (among countless others) - systematically to the detriment of the unvaccinated groups, are explaining most of the "efficacy" I haven't seen proven in the trial data.
3. The highest difference in temporal pattern also corresponds to the period were the most deaths were observed in the general population. It's possible that it induces more stress on the reporting system. On another hand, we can hardly be more reserved regarding the data quality ; and death dates themselves have been significantly altered. The target of this analysis is limited to explain that trying to make of this data an argument against Covid-19 vaccines is a poor tactical choice - not to make an in depth analysis of the details of a cohort which, as we mention, could be synthetic for all we know.
Wow, and Steve is a bit of a stats whiz and also had Norman Fenton look over the data. What an own goal! Still, we must let the cards fall where they may be. If the data not only don't show any increase in deaths in the vaccinated cohort and in fact show a lower death rate than should be expected based on the age distribution of the cohort, this lower death rate is likely to be extrapolated worldwide and attributed by vaccine enthusiasts to being consistent with the vaccines saving millions of lives.
That would also be an incorrect interpretation because it ignores the fact that the majority of New Zealanders were vaccinated and it's not possible to have an increase in mortality if there was a reduction of death rate in the majority
I expect it may be argued that the unvaccinated minority are dropping like flies and the magnitude of this is so massive that it is cancelling out the effects on overall mortality of the reduction of death rate in the majority who have had the shots.
As a reply to point 1, the average age of the cohort also changes because new people get added to the cohort. The average age of the people included in the NZ dataset is the lowest around November or December 2021, but after that it begins to increase because old people who weren't included in the dataset earlier get added after the third dose. And a second reason why the mortality rate increases in the first half of 2022 is because summer is turning to winter. And a third reason is because people started dying of COVID in March 2022. When I calculated a baseline for the CMR based on the age composition of the cohort, the CMR mostly remained below the baseline until March 2022: https://i.ibb.co/1KsJGKM/nz-pay-per-dose-mortality-rate-by-date-seasonality-adjusted-baseline.png (R code: https://mongol-fi.github.io/moar.html#Plot_by_John_Sullivan_for_mortality_rate_by_date_in_ages_80_89).
A very deep dive into the power of Github and R programming.
I've been following nz data for quite some time. My opinion of it is that it is good for nothing more than a ball park estimate. This includes statsNZ data which is based on quarterly adjustment to a baseline derived from 4 yearly census data with a few other factors thrown in. Its just an estimate.
I wasted too much time on kirsch data before concluding it was not complete enough to draw any serious conclusions,. But i have to agree that that data as it was presented does show what your article shows ie, a slight decrease in age standardized mortality. That said I also agree that the NZ ministry of health should supply all data.
Yes and as people have hinted (as have we) there is something NQR about the NZstats data.
I don't think it is so much a case of nqr in the sense of it being dodgy. I just do not believe there is enough data to do population based analysis like you and I have attempted. My attempts just raised questions that could not be answered with the data.
I am only vaguely familiar with Steve's method and I don't have the means, or knowledge to check he did it right. My opinion is that it is a method that would work, but I would like to check that it is properly age stratified.
A couple more comments if I may on your analysis.
1. I've looked closely a statsNZ data to determine if there is excess mortality. The method is simple. For the 10 years prior to covid I worked out the average mortality rate + the highs and lows, and compared them to 2020 to23. I did this for the whole population and in 10 year age bands. The whole population shows an sizeable and increasing excess in 22 to 23. 21 appears to be catching up from a negative 2020. But the interesting thing is that when broken down by age band, the excess disapears. I suspect that this is either a statistical anomaly tha an experienced statistician would know about or the statsNZ data is not based on reliable estimates... probably a mix of the 2.
2. Your graph showing the age distribution of the data compared to typical NZ population distribution is not, IMHO, correct. You should be comparing to the vaccinated population distribution which is higher in age than the all population distribution. Another thing to bare in mind is that the under 1s have more deaths than the following 20 years put together and none of them are vaccinated so this has to be taken into account when comparing death rates in the data to all population rates.
As can be seen, there are so many snags that one can fall into.
There were just a handful of under 1s. And yes the first chart was there to show that the distribution of the NZWB cohort was not the same as the distribution of the country, which was the point because the claim of an increase in death rate was being made at the time (beginning December) in comparison to the baseline mortality rate of New Zealanders as a whole.
To address this we modelled the whole data set by line. In other words we took the age of each person in that (purported) data set, accepting the age quoted in the file available (not checked to DOB because we removed it) and then modelled their daily risk of mortality based on the available mortality data provided by NZstats. So what we should have ended up with was an overall mortality for the group which applied the risk for each person for each month based on their age. Nobody else has done this modelling and it addresses your points. What it doesn't address is what would happen if the NZstats mortality data or the UN data showing the composition of New Zealand by age is corrupted.
I have now done the same type of modeling where I used reported monthly mortality rates in 5-year age groups to calculate the baseline. And I had earlier calculated the baseline by using the 2021-2022 average mortality rates in single-year age groups. And Uncle John Returns has also used a similar approach. I have tried in vain to teach Kirsch how he could also calculate the baseline based on the age composition, so I told him that he is falling behind because now OpenVAET has also joined the elite ranks of researchers who have calculated the baseline correctly.
The age column in the CSV file is the age on approximately December 2nd 2023, because when I tested all dates in 2021-2023 for the number of people whose age column matched their date of birth, I got the highest number of matches on December 2nd 2023. So the age column can be up to 3 years higher than the actual age of a person on the day of vaccination. So if you rely on the age column then you'll overestimate the expected mortality rate of the cohort.
Good point
I really enjoyed the dive into Github territory and R programming. Way out of my current league, but at least there are good people out there who can utilize it.
The halfwits will use this analysis to deny the overwhelming vaccine harm world wide.
junkies will be junkies after all.
Perhaps, but they are doing that anyway. What is not helpful to the truth about this is using flawed data to make a point, only to be ridiculed for it to such an extent that the underlying point is buried.
wasnt a criticism m8. Thank you for improving my understanding.
Exactly
Thanks for the excellent analysis!
I find the NZWB data fascinating. We don't know, and maybe never will, where it came from and why it appears to be a partial dataset.
The situation reminds me of the analysis of Francesca Gino's papers and datasets. The datasets that she based her papers on were clearly manipulated, but in a clumsy way. http://datacolada.org/112 If the NZWB data was manipulated, did whoever did that think that no one would notice the manipulation?
I find Steve Kirsch often appears to leap to conclusions even when the data doesn't support what he is saying. This is yet another example of that.
I am skeptical of the vaccines. However , I agree with you that the NZWB dataset says nothing, one way or the other, about the safety and efficacy of the vaccines. I was so hoping we would finally know something. Alas, it was not to be.
Yes #Ginogate is a very interesting situation.