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I've responded in my orginal article. You need to explain the figure in that section. Let's stick to the data. EXPLAIN it.

https://kirschsubstack.com/p/attempts-to-discredit-the-new-zealand

See "the third article" section. thanks.

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Dec 27, 2023·edited Dec 27, 2023Author

Already addressed in aforementioned questions by Ark' you haven't understood.

Ask Joel or someone else who understands stats to explain you.

Waiting for you to confirm you can count to 38 prior to reply to you again - no point in debating models if we can't settle on something as simple.

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where?

Yes I am able to count to 38.

Can we stop with the insults and stick to the data? Or is that non-negotiable with you?

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Dec 28, 2023·edited Dec 28, 2023Liked by OpenVAET

Steve, two additional points that need to be emphasized: (1) delayed effects related to hyper-progressing cancers (along with huge relapse rates due to awakening of dormant micrometastases) can certainly account for a 6-12 month lag; and (2), most crucially, Omicron subvariants were not killing people in 2022. Multiple papers have shown that Omicron has always been mild and basically non-lethal. Geert Vanden Bossche wrote an entire book explaining how it's the INTERACTION between SARS-CoV2 variants and the C19 shots that's killing people. If you look at the C19 outbreaks in the heavily vaxx'd countries like NZ, Australia, S.Korea, and Singapore, they all show this elevated mortality in late 2021 and well into 2022. Cao et al. profiles these countries and mentions that in NZ, it was the elderly who had the "ultrahigh vaccinate rate", so they were clearly targeted: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10067885/

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Dec 28, 2023·edited Dec 28, 2023Author

Splendid, valid arguments.

Could you produce a study establishing that Omicron was mostly mild in populations which hadn't been exposed to prior variants ?

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Here are some relevant papers:

Mohapatra RK, Sarangi AK, Kandi V, et al. Omicron (B.1.1.529 variant of SARS-CoV-2); an emerging threat: Current global scenario. J Med Virol. 2022;94(5):1780-1783. PMID: 34964506

Karyakarte RP, Das R, Dudhate S, et al. Clinical Characteristics and Outcomes of Laboratory-Confirmed SARS-CoV-2 Cases Infected With Omicron Subvariants and the XBB Recombinant Variant. Cureus. 2023;15(2):e35261. PMID: 36968876

Tureček P, Kleisner K. Symptomatic mimicry between SARS-CoV-2 and the common cold complex. Biosemiotics. 2022;15(1):61–6. https://doi.org/10.1007/s12304-021-09472-6

Joung SY , Ebinger JE, Sun N, et al. Awareness of SARS-CoV-2 Omicron Variant Infection Among Adults With Recent COVID-19 Seropositivity. JAMA Netw Open. 2022;5(8):e2227241. PMID: 35976645.

Meng B, Abdullahi A, Ferreira IATM, et al. Altered TMPRSS2 usage by SARS-CoV-2 Omicron impacts infectivity and fusogenicity. Nature. 2022;603(7902):706-714. PMID: 35104837

Lorenzo-Redondo R, Ozer EA, Hultquist JF. COVID-19: is omicron less lethal than delta? BMJ. 2022;378:o1806. PMID: 35918084.

Christie B. COVID-19: Early studies give hope omicron is milder than other variants. BMJ 2021;375:n3144. PMID: 34949600

Zhao H, Lu L, Peng Z, et al. SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant shows less efficient replication and fusion activity when compared with Delta variant in TMPRSS2-expressed cells. Emerg Microbes Infect 2022;11:277-83. PMID:34951565

Maslo C, Friedland R, Toubkin M, et al. Characteristics and Outcomes of Hospitalized Patients in South Africa During the COVID-19 Omicron Wave Compared With Previous Waves. JAMA. 2022;327(6):583-584. PMID: 34967859

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I don't need 9 papers turning around it, just one addressing my question.

So, I should sustain Chinese paper 1 as far as the vaccination rate of Omicron is concerned (but not as far as the exceptional mortality caused in New Zealand).

Then convince myself that it's the shots, not the huge COVID/Other respiratory diseases wave, which killed people (in a population in sub-mortality) a year later massively, after reading these 9 papers ?

Although I have an obvious concomitant occurrence of said COVID wave and the spike in mortality.

Can you clarify the mechanism suggested by GVDB in something which takes less than two hours to review? Because frankly I'm missing the point.

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Basic point is this: Omicron was never killing people on its own, only as a cofactor with the C19 shots, which were stealing lives en masse. Dutch vaccinologist Geert vanden Bossche lays out an extensive argument that Omicron infections following the C19 vaxx is likely to result in a circumventing of the innate immune response, together with excess production of non-neutralizing antibodies and inadequate protection against severe disease. When the elderly and other vulnerable segments of the population were vaccinated early, such immune dysfunction may have predisposed them to more lethal SAEs after the injections. As you may know, C19 shots are known to cause innate immune suppression via profound impairment in type I interferon signaling along with disruption of regulatory control of protein synthesis and cancer surveillance. All the countries with very high C19 vaxx rates showed this pattern of C19 waves coinciding mortality spikes, but you can't logically disentangle those waves from the background of excessive spike protein and other oncogenic factors associated with the shots in countries like NZ, Singapore, South Korea, etc., as per my previous note on the Cao et al. study.

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Ok, I have no objection regarding this eventuality. As I'm currently looking in the natural growth to see if there are shenanigans here.

It's nowhere near my domain of expertise, and it isn't my concern to defend the COVID shots, but to defend accurate information being spread by "our side".

Steve's clownish claims of 10.000 excess deaths or 83% increase of whatever, based on said data, are nothing but that ; clownish ; as we already established. He could have solicited people to produce a valid analysis. He didn't and crashed us, again, on a quest for attention and sensationalism combining quotes of The Real Truther & other jokes, at MIT.

Still waiting to understand how one hope to demonstrate an excess mortality using an under-reported in deaths database. And from the feedback I have collected, I'm not the only one.

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As "covid" seems to exist only in computer models and on TV and there is no valid diagnostic method (beyond the fact that the role of the tiny particles that might as well be called "viruses" has never been clearly identified), there is no more point in talking about Omicron than about Monkey pox or the tooth fairy.

Calling the (sooner-or-later) injections "vaccines" is optimistic at best (no "vaccine" has been proven to do more good than harm and, most likely, they only cause harm, especially in children below two).

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May I ask what exactly was the egregious mistake of Kirsch's regarding Pfizer trial deaths? BTW, both of you may be interested also in looking at deaths per person year in the trials, which shows that the 21-17 ratio is more or less completely expected, as I have laid out here:

https://open.substack.com/pub/wherearethenumbers/p/anomalous-patterns-of-mortality-and

A few other points:

1. The NZ-graph you reproduced appears to have exactly the same time range. Steve's first tick mark is Dec'10.

2. Both of the reproduced vaccine rollout graphs are compatible with immediate death from the vaccines, with mortality rising slightly after vaccine rollout. I'd say the scale in your charts hides this. Also, deaths are mainly among the old, whereas vaccines are (as far as I understand) for all age groups, further muddying the waters on correlation. This point of course underlines your criticism that Steve's analysis was not stratified by age. But it doesn't disprove a connection to the vaccines, au contraire.

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Re deaths during the trial, as detailed in ref. 5 (https://twitter.com/canceledmouse/status/1645793955160920066) ; he runs with a 21-15 which had been evaluated by Chris Masterjon when the documents weren't public.

When Steve published his "analysis" he hadn't such excuse, the documents were public & accurate counts published (by myself). Just an illustration of his care for accuracy.

I read & commented on your article (I believe that's how you arrived here).

1. Good point - spent longer than I should have awake and was misled by the lefter date. Who the hell edits a weekly chart on over 10 years a 800x477 format, tho.

2. I disagree with the jabs being a consequent driver of mortality in NZ (for now), and that's not consistent with others symptoms of the data, such as "why is Malta & Iceland fertility intact" while the rest of the western world is collapsing. As I advanced we have a quite clear idea of the damage mechanism short term. With a "timebomb" effect a year later ? I don't have a clue, and the data I have is far more consistent with a consequent Sars wave and deferral of 2020-2021 deaths.

That being said there are other things to investigate urgently on this NZ data. The census integrity would be a priority (same problem but bigger in the US).

https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1736697845967888634

If we explain me what we hope to establish by try-harding on the NZ data.

As I had originally stated, NZ is one of the worst possible case study for us as far as I can evaluate. And even if we win demonstrating an exceptional mortality there, what does it change as far as halting these shots?

I'll be back to the EUA legal basis, if we have already seen the best Steve can do to defend his position.

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My point with 2. was that the data is compatible with immediate deaths, not that it is necessarily strongly indicative of it. And in terms of definitive easy-to-understand proof, NZ is probably a bad example. But then again, such definitive proof just keep on failing, such as my guest post on Joel Smalley's Substack showing excess happening exclusively among vaccinated.

Nordics are uniquely positioned for analysis and we are pushing for release of similar critical data. Not holding my breath...

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Link to guest post at Joel's stack:

https://metatron.substack.com/p/mortality-by-vaccination-status-in

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Dec 28, 2023·edited Dec 28, 2023Author

Thanks a lot, this one I had missed in the constant data flow, somehow.

Entirely agreed with you re the rest.

I discussed the issue a lot, and remain convinced that the major angle of attack we must go for is the EUA/BLA conditions, which we have vastly documented to be completely corrupt. It's hard enough already to demonstrate legally that a Clinical trail is utterly corrupt. And said trial allows a lot of new products to flow through fast approval.

If we - as I believe - have to assume that a longer term objective of the events we witness is to weaken & take down state infrastructures, allowing the rise of a neo-feodalism/transhumanism, we can't exactly be waving fear-porn and grotesque assertions constantly, as my current target does.

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Arguing about mortality rates is on shaky foundations, no matter what. In August, 2020, I checked out the death rates in the US, Germany, Canada, Hungary, Britain, and Sweden, and fewer-than-usual people had died that year; there was no "pandemic" (pandemics don't exist, anyway, unless parasitic or bacterial infestations, along with areal poisonings are counted as such). A month later, official statistics started to be doctored, even retroactively, with the US armed forces going back as far as until 2015.

Areal poisoning (e.g. through chemtrails or by 5G), however, can fake a "pandemic."

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Great arguments! What’s your best way to wake-up those who don’t want to open their eyes?

Please share your most effective wake-up strategies.

The more the awakened, the sooner this nightmare will be over!

If the person doesn’t want to discuss injections, then food is a good start:

Why is food poisoning legal?

How Rumsfeld forced the approval of Aspartame.

Artificial sweeteners, MSG, PFAS, Glyphosate ... go organic!

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/why-is-food-poisoning-legal

Then I’d follow with "Are you opened to see if the actual data matches your opinion?"

Then I start showing some of the shortcomings of the Pharma industry:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/system-failure-ai-exposes-zero-government

Then, show that every single person in the planet should be suing Pfizer for deliberately injecting an undisclosed carcinogenic monkey virus (SV40) into the cell nucleus of the clueless biohacked, as officially recognized by Health Canada !!!

If he doesn’t like the topic, I’d show this video (all you need is 10 secs in the middle, who doesn’t have 10 seconds for you):

https://odysee.com/@ImpossiblyWackedOutWorld:f/WTC-7-Free-Falling:8

(caveat about the beginning: pot destroys your brain + “Raises Risk of Heart Attack and Stroke”)

9/11: two "planes", yet the third tower (WTC7) imploded, free falling on its footprint like in a controlled demolition. It was out of reach, and all 7 World Trade Center towers needed to be rebuilt, not the closer towers not belonging to World Trade Center... and the “owner” took an insurance policy for the WTC against terrorism, just months before, when no one was taking them … he didn’t show up for work precisely on 9/11 … just as his 2 grown up siblings (they never skipped work before). The inside information about the FUTURE 9/11 event helped masons make trillions by shorting the stock exchange: the records were deleted by the SEC so they wouldn't be prosecuted !!!

Watch amazing short and more evidence here:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/911-2-planes-3-towers

Please watch all of this! Your life depends on it, because there's a plan to murder 95% of the global population by 2050… written on the masonic Georgia guide-stones: “Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 … ”:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/depopulation-or-extermination

- J6: The false flag operation of the fake riot was planned, incited and guided by FBI agents, who broke into the Capitol !!! The same mason-plot was copy-pasted to disband the insurrection against the stolen elections in Brazil! All intel agencies (CIA, FBI, NSA) were founded by masons and are run by them for their own nefarious goals.

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/j6-what-you-need-to-know

It's such a mason manual that they organized the same J6 play in Brazil when it was proven that the voting machines owned by mason Soros, were rigged:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-2020-american-coup

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/dominion-over-us

- At least since the 90s, vaccines are weaponized to reduce the population, for example:

1. Adding hCG to infertilize women: lab detected in 30 countries

2. Overpassing the FDA 10 ng limit to human DNA “contamination” by 2000%, thus causing neuro-damage (autism, asperger, tics, dyslexia in 29% of kids, etc.) and childhood cancer epidemic (n.b. leukemia, non-Hodgkin’s lymphomas)

Check soundchoice.org or videos at bottom after this page:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/wake-up-videos

- COVID was designed as a primer for even more lethal COVID haccines:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-real-covid-timeline

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/not-vaccine-not-gene-therapy-just

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/what-do-bioweapons-have-to-do-with

- Wake up videos:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/wake-up-videos

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/2050-youll-go-nowhere-and-youll-be

- It's genocide for depopulation:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/depop-vaccines-no-myth

- Their main source of power apart from sin-empowered demons? NOT a coincidence that the USA left dollar convertibility to gold in 1971, precisely triggering the exponential government deficit coupled with the trade deficit and inflation.

This is the Achilles’ heel of all nations: masonic and satanic secret societies counterfeit paper money and launder trillions with which they buy Banks, seats in the Federal Reserve (the only private run Central Bank in the world), political careers and parties, puppeticians, listed corporations, media, healthcare corporations and organizations, universities, foundations, judges, etc.:

Confessions of illuminati, David Rockefeller:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/david-rockefeller-illuminati

Confessions of ex-illuminati Ronald Bernard (all lodges obey the same master, Satan):

http://youtu.be/JAhnCdXqPww

The way out of this mess:

1. Create an easy system for real money: private currencies/warrants based on real assets, goods, services, etc. (gold, corn, oil, distance/volume/weight transportation, labor human hour/minute, etc.)

2. Ban legal tender. Let the free markets decide which real-currencies/valuables/warrants they prefer to trade with

3. Ban paper-backed currencies (unlike real-backed ones of point 1.)

4. Enforce a Legal Banking Reserve of 100% of deposits (so banks don't create money based on air) and therefore there's no excuse for a Central Bank, because there would be no risk of bank-runs since all their loans are fully backed with deposits

Anything else you might think of?

Now, are you really ready for this?:

The full PLAN exposed:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-plan-revealed

16 laws we need to exit Prison Planet

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/laws-to-exit-planet-prison

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If you are a mason or know a mason, ask him to ask his 33° master to put in writing and sign it, who is "the great architect" and that he is not Lucifer. If he refuses, then he’ll know who he is really serving, Satan: tell him to get out of masonry NOW. Sooner or later he’ll be required to trample on a cross to get to a higher degree.

Confessions of ex-illuminati Ronald Bernard (all lodges obey the same master, Satan):

http://youtu.be/JAhnCdXqPww

Confessions of a former mason (Serge Abad-Gallardo):

https://www.ncregister.com/interview/confessions-of-a-former-freemason-officer-converted-to-catholicism

Confession of 33rd degree master mason - Masons worship deities/demons

https://rumble.com/v294ksc-words-from-33rd-degree-master-mason-rare-video-masons-worship-all-sorts-of-.html

Masonry's Satanic Connection

https://odysee.com/@HiddenTruths:c/Masonry's-Satanic-Connection:4

Masonry's Satanic Doctrine | From Their Own Books

https://rumble.com/v2wg24a-masonrys-satanic-doctrine-from-their-own-books.html

Do Freemasons Worship Lucifer? Evidence They Don't Want You To See

https://odysee.com/@John_4-14:a/Do-Freemasons-Worship-Lucifer%EF%BC%9F-Evidence-They-Don't-Want-You-To-See-%EF%BD%9C-Hidden-Agendas---Walter-Veith:0

Satanic Ritual Abuse and Secret Societies [1995] [VHS]

https://odysee.com/@thisworldworks:1/satanic-ritual-abuse-and-secret-societies-1995:3

Satanic Pedophilia Torture and Blood - Dark Satanic Secrets Revealed

https://odysee.com/@Gmail.com:52/822821884_Satanic-Pedophilia-Torture-and-Blood---Dark-Satanic-Secrets-Revealed:4

UNITED NATIONS LUCIFER AND THE LUCIFER TRUST

https://odysee.com/@dynosarus:c/UNITED-NATIONS-LUCIFER-AND-THE-LUCIFER-TRUST:4

WARNING! Weaponization of vaccines:

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/vaxxed-v-unvaxxed/

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/depopulation-or-extermination

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/depop-vaccines-no-myth

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Dec 27, 2023·edited Dec 27, 2023

Quite the list. It could be shorter.

Confessions of ex-illuminati Ronald Bernard (all lodges obey the same master, Satan):http://youtu.be/JAhnCdXqPww

That one is on the list twice.

Most sleepers don't even want to talk about 9/11 let alone Child Ritual Abuse, Illuminati, Masons, etc. So I guess it is good that your list stops short of the Lizard Aliens Running The World., the sleepers would disregard everything else at that point.

And any mention of Kahzarian J's just instantly makes one a hateful, anti-semitic, racist, extremist, so that's good it is not on the list too.

I have seen some really good videos over the last few years that had very good info, ..... in the first half, but at a certain point, (Around 2/3's the way through), they always go completely around the bend and come across as wacko's and then no one I WOULD send it to, would ever give any credence to an y of it, so I don't send the links at all. Because of that, it's hard to find great examples of info that are actually shareable.

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Arguing about mortality rates is on shaky foundations, no matter what. In August, 2020, I checked out the death rates in the US, Germany, Canada, Hungary, Britain, and Sweden, and fewer-than-usual people had died that year; there was no "pandemic" (pandemics don't exist, anyway, unless parasitic or bacterial infestations, along with areal poisonings are counted as such). A month later, official statistics started to be doctored, even retroactively, with the US armed forces going back as far as until 2015.

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Majoring in the minors. Unsubscribe.

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Dec 27, 2023·edited Dec 27, 2023

In the Pfizer and Moderna clinical trials, almost all excess vaccine-associated deaths were delayed by at least a few months post-vaccination. Within the first month after vaccination things looked "fine", almost no excess deaths were seen in the vaccine groups of the trials (there was a single death 3 days post-vaccine in the Pfizer trial- that's the only death in the first few weeks among the ~37,000 vaccine recipients in the Pfizer and Moderna trials combined). But by 6 months post-vaccine, the Pfizer and Moderna clinical trials BOTH had 40-50% excess cardiovascular deaths and 15-17% excess non-COVID deaths overall with vaccination compared to placebo. I am sure that you are capable of finding the trial mortality data in the 1 month and 6 month publications, but if you want links I can post them.

Anyway, besides the clinical trials, common sense also tells us that any mRNA vaccine-associated deaths have to be almost entirely long-term rather than immediate, given the numbers who got vaccinated per day in the US and elsewhere. Certainly there are immediate vaccine-related deaths, but those are extremely rare and much less common than the delayed vaccine-related deaths occurring more than a month later, as the clinical trials showed us. To summarize, insinuating that most vaccine-related deaths are immediate or short-term, and therefore drawing attention away from long-term unexpected deaths, only serves to give a very misleading impression that the vaccines are indeed safe.

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